The Hollings Society, because we need more men like Fritz Hollings in government (Charleston: lawyer, buy)

[Charlestondata]

We’ll never know. To say Hollings was special to South Carolina and to be able to see why his name doesn’t draw protests aren’t the same as saying I would be a big supporter of him now if I had a choice between him and someone I liked better. You’re projecting again.

If a movement against all things Hollings takes shape, I’ll listen to what the protesters have to say and make a decision on how I should feel about it. In the meantime, whatever Hollings did or said in the segregation era must have been righted in the view of those who seem fine with honoring him.

[Vaccinated Masker]

There probably won't be a movement because he stayed with the Democratic party. Republicans are generally content to let the past be the past.

Strom Thurmond is probably the only segregationist of Hollings' generation that you could not honor and praise without causing a stir today.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Vaccinated Masker

There probably won't be a movement because he stayed with the Democratic party. Republicans are generally content to let the past be the past.

Strom Thurmond is probably the only segregationist of Hollings' generation that you could not honor and praise without causing a stir today.

You mean the same Republicans trying to overturn Roe v Wade?

[Vaccinated Masker]

That's a policy issue not related to this topic. Policies can always be reversed if a majority supports it or the Supreme Court rules against it.

I was referring to the monument removal, building name change movement, and how those people generally don't have an issue with Hollings, William Fullbright, Robert Byrd, Al Gore Sr and the other Democrat segregationists who did not switch after the 1960s. Fullbright has a scholarship with his name on it.

Robert Byrd filibustered the Civil Rights Act and he was in the leadership of the KKK at one point but all of the prominent Democrats were at his funeral gushing over him. But they can't deal with a Robert E Lee statue or a building named after Ben "Pitchfork" Tillman. They don't want to live by their own rules.

[Vaccinated Masker]

Originally Posted by Charlestondata

Since I wouldn’t and couldn’t be married to the person of my choice if not for justices’ views that are different from Clarence Thomas’s, until I’m sure same-sex marriage won’t be undone by a right-wing GOP wave and legislation, yes, same-sex marriage is my biggest issue.

Buttigeig probably would have done better in the SC Republican primary than he did in the Democratic primary if he was generally conservative. He bombed out in the SC Democratic primary. It was interesting to see pundits with your views give their theories on why he didn't connect with your fellow voters. I had predicted he would win the Democratic nomination easily. Ya'll went with a Hollings protege instead.

I believe Richard Grenell, the openly gay diplomat in Trump's administration, could win the GOP primary for governor or a senate seat in SC. He's a rock star in the GOP, or to be more precise, the Trump wing of the GOP.

[Charlestondata]

Originally Posted by Vaccinated Masker

Buttigeig probably would have done better in the SC Republican primary than he did in the Democratic primary if he was generally conservative. He bombed out in the SC Democratic primary. It was interesting to see pundits with your views give their theories on why he didn't connect with your fellow voters. I had predicted he would win the Democratic nomination easily. Ya'll went with a Hollings protege instead.

I believe Richard Grenell, the openly gay diplomat in Trump's administration, could win the GOP primary for governor or a senate seat in SC. He's a rock star in the GOP, or to be more precise, the Trump wing of the GOP.

Don’t say y’all to refer to me. I am an independent. Can’t stand Trump.

[Vaccinated Masker]

Originally Posted by Charlestondata

Can’t stand Trump.

That goes without saying. Nobody would expect a DJT voter to accuse strangers in SC of being racist if they live in a rural area or suburbs.

But the same person loves the former segregationist Ernest Hollings. It is the comedy of life.

[Charlestondata]

Originally Posted by Vaccinated Masker

That goes without saying. Nobody would expect a DJT voter to accuse strangers in SC of being racist if they live in a rural area or suburbs.

But the same person loves the former segregationist Ernest Hollings. It is the comedy of life.

^
Disingenuousness at it’s worst.

[johngolf]

Originally Posted by Vaccinated Masker

The people who say Hollings did a radical change are typically members of his party. They have a big conflict of interest. They typically assert there was a big switch of segregationist politicians to the GOP although Strom was the only big name one.

They never cite Hollings' apology because he probably did not make one. Hollings wouldn't even admit he was the one who put the Confederate flag on the state house.

I would argue the one that switched parties, Strom Thurmond, was the one who changed the most. Staying in the same organization that did slavery and segregation isn't good optics. That organization didn't change its name.

Ravenel was first elected to office in 1980. He never won an election by being for segregation, if he ran on that when he was a Democrat. His Wikipedia page doesn't mention segregation.

From Wikipedia:

Ravenel is a member of Moultrie Camp, Sons of Confederate Veterans, and was a supporter of the Confederate flag being flown at the South Carolina statehouse.[4] He provoked controversy in response to a reporter's question in 2000 when he referred to the NAACP as the "National Association for Retarded People".[5] Ravenel once said that his fellow white congressional committee members operated on "black time", which he characterized as meaning "fashionably late".[6]

Also he raised hell when on the Charleston County School BOD with most of it aimed at the Head of The School BOD, a black women.

[Vaccinated Masker]

Ernest Hollings put the Confederate flag on the State house. You praised him upthread.

Ravenel was a relatively minor politician compared to Hollings and Thurmond. He wasn't a senator or governor. He may have supported segregation but I don't know if he ever advocated for it in a campaign. I don't think he was running on segregation in the 1980s when he first won a race.

The Wikipedia people have your political views and they didn't mention segregation. The reason that you are focused on him is he didn't stay with your party.

Previously you asserted that there was a big switch of segregationist politicians from the Democratic party to the GOP. That isn't true.

Ernest Hollings beat up on the NAACP too and was criticized by the NAACP in 1993 for associating Africans with cannibalism.