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03-13-2022, 12:12 PM
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Strom Thurmond is treated differently than Fritz Hollings by most people with your views. There's an obvious reason for that. One switched to the GOP, one stayed in the same party.
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That's hardly the reason. Strom is treated worse because of the horrible things he actually did, like his record-breaking filibuster of civil rights legislation, running for president as a Dixiecrat, and fathering a child with a Black woman that he kept under wraps for his entire life. Nothing Hollings ever did throughout his entire political career compares to any of that. Strom could have remained a Democrat and would still be seen as worse. |
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03-13-2022, 01:11 PM
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You say that because you are a Democrat. They both were segregationists. I'm objective about this. I don't want a statue of Strom Thurmond.
I haven't seen you criticize Hollings on here but you accused me of racism upthread. I suggested Charleston take down Hollings statue and put up statues of the black people murdered at the church a few years ago but you called me a racist.
Both Robert Byrd and Al Gore's father filibustered the civil rights act. Robert Byrd was in the KKK. All of the prominent Democrats were at Byrd's funeral gushing about him. Nobody in your party was concerned about the optics of nominating Al Gore, the son of a segregationist who filibustered the civil rights act.
All of the Dixiecrats had been Democrats.
I note that you also have not provided a link to Ernest Hollings's apology to black citizens. Step 1 in redemption is a sincere apology.. It is interesting that you have not criticized CharlestonData's hype of Strom Thurmond.
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03-14-2022, 02:41 PM
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Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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I haven’t “hyped” either one of them. I have simply opined that they were two politicians who in the view of most South Carolinians redeemed themselves later in their careers after the era when basic civil rights were being denied to Black citizens. When I said Hollings was special, I meant to South Carolina, regardless of the fact that of course he had his detractors for whatever reasons. All politicians do.
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03-14-2022, 08:49 PM
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Calling him special sounds like hype to me.
You have said that we need people like Hollings in our government.
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03-15-2022, 07:26 PM
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Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Originally Posted by Vaccinated Masker
Calling him special sounds like hype to me.
You have said that we need people like Hollings in our government.
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Special in terms of his level of statesmanship
More like him needed in government for that level of statesmanship |
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03-15-2022, 07:46 PM
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He wasn't a statesman. Did you not read those quotes? There are more quotes out there.
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03-16-2022, 04:15 PM
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Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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He wasn't a statesman. Did you not read those quotes? There are more quotes out there.
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Your opinion |
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03-16-2022, 05:53 PM
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What made Mr. Hollings more special than other politicians in our state and national government?
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03-17-2022, 10:34 AM
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Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Where did I say he was more special than other statesmen?
“A statesman or stateswoman is a respected, skilled and experienced political leader or figure. In most respects a statesman is the opposite of a politician. Politicians are thought of as people who will say or do anything to get elected or to gain power.”
- Oxford
Fritz called it as he saw it. I’m out. Have at it with the last word.
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03-17-2022, 01:26 PM
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Hollings said the only reason he was segregationist is because he had to be to get elected.
If that is true, that means he wasn't a statesman by your definition.
If Hollings was not more special than past and current leaders, what is the point in asserting we need men like him in government .
He never opposed segregation when it was legal
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