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Old 09-14-2011, 09:17 AM
 
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O.k. most star systems in our galaxy are binary or multiple and so whats the possibility that some 4.5 billion years back jupiter was forming as a second star in our solar system? It has hydrogen and helium in similar composition to the Sun however without enough core density it couldn't spawn nuclear fusion and so henceforth a failed brown dwarf or the largest planet in our system .

Possible or not?
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:47 AM
 
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How do you know?
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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How do you know?
The universe isn't 4.5 billion years old, for one.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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The universe isn't 4.5 billion years old, for one.
Who mentioned that the universe is 4.5 billion years old?


Anyone else have any substance to add to this thread? PITTS?, NightBazzar? etc...
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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It may be a failed brown dwarf, but it seems to have missed by quite a bit, considering the mass. We can probably blame Saturn, Uranus and Neptune for running away with Jupiter's lunch.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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The universe isn't 4.5 billion years old, for one.
Even with your assumptions on age, what has that got to do with whether Jupiter is a failed brown dwarf or not?
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:21 PM
 
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It may be a failed brown dwarf, but it seems to have missed by quite a bit, considering the mass. We can probably blame Saturn, Uranus and Neptune for running away with Jupiter's lunch.
Thanks for some intellect discussion man ..... i'm wondering if the sun formed first and took 98% of all the helium and hydrogen available in the solar system which kept jupiter from compacting a super mass to ''fire up'' so to speak although there's some smart brains on here who know better than i.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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You could probably say that about Saturn or other planets as well. IIRC, Saturn is high mass, but low density. Being pedantic, I'd label Jupiter as an underachiever rather than failed.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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Thanks for some intellect discussion man ..... i'm wondering if the sun formed first and took 98% of all the helium and hydrogen available in the solar system which kept jupiter from compacting a super mass to ''fire up'' so to speak although there's some smart brains on here who know better than i.
I would say that the stars are the first to be born, hence the sun. After all, the planets form in the swirling dust cloud around the stars. So the gravitational effect is the greatest where most of the dust is. Jupiter definitely tried to start its own family with those (relatively speaking) massive satellites we can see from here with small telescopes.
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