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Old 09-19-2011, 08:55 PM
 
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If primordial black holes are the source of dark matter, the sheer number of stars in the Milky Way galaxy -- roughly 100 billion -- makes an encounter inevitable, the authors report. Unlike larger black holes, a primordial black hole would not "swallow" the star, but cause noticeable vibrations on the star's surface as it passes through.
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Old 09-21-2011, 07:06 AM
 
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Here are a couple of short animations that illustrate the idea.




Primordial Black Hole Passing Through Sun [720p] - YouTube



Primordial Black Hole Grazing Sun's Surface [720p] - YouTube
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Old 09-21-2011, 07:49 AM
 
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Kind of like ringing a bell or something. I wonder how they came up with the theory of vibrations due to a primordial black hole.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:57 AM
 
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Probably simulations, and they are only as good as the data which is fed. But it makes no sense. Just like the last scene in the movie "Star Trek".

Having said that, I don't doubt that such black holes can't exist. After all, we do expect at least a few supernovas to meet that fate, and there just might be one in our neighborhood. After all, there is some credit given to a supernova event that was followed by the solar neighborhood, for relative abundance of gold.
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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It's from a simulation that was made at NYU's Center for Cosmology and Particle Physics, according to the article. What's been described is a method to detect of such activity IF primordial black holes exist and IF one were to penetrate or graze one of the numerous stars being observed. Chances are very small for such an event to occur to any given star, but out of around 100 billion stars in the galaxy, some collisions are bound to take place. These things wouldn't do much passing through a star other than cause noticable vibrations.

While primordial black holes are theoretically possible, I'm not sure how such a proposed ripple effect could be conclusively determined as having actually been caused by such a black hole. There are a lot of unanswered questions. How would you know such a ripple wasn't caused by a star quake, or twisting of the magnetic fields? Just how long would it take for such a black hole to pass through a star? What would happen if a primordial black hole passed through a rocky planet like the Earth (even though chances of that ever happening are practically zilch)?
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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Where I have a problem with mere vibrations is that even planets with pitiful mass compared to the parent star create disturbances in the star. And for a body to be a black hole, would necessitate a mass that generates enough gravity for the black hole to exist in the first place.
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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The vibrations of such a black hole that may be equal in size to the Earth, might be enough to cause serious earthquakes.
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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Where I have a problem with mere vibrations is that even planets with pitiful mass compared to the parent star create disturbances in the star. And for a body to be a black hole, would necessitate a mass that generates enough gravity for the black hole to exist in the first place.
I agree that it would be difficult to conclude such a disturbance is caused by a primordial black hole. From what I can understand, they may have originated in the early universe before there were any stars, and that they are very small, some perhaps the size of an atom with the mass of an asteroid. They're too small to consume a star, but could pass through one causing a disturbance. Apart from the math, there's no evidence they exist, but it is possible.

PhysOrg Mobile: Could primordial black holes be dark matter?
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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I agree that it would be difficult to conclude such a disturbance is caused by a primordial black hole. From what I can understand, they may have originated in the early universe before there were any stars, and that they are very small, some perhaps the size of an atom with the mass of an asteroid. They're too small to consume a star, but could pass through one causing a disturbance. Apart from the math, there's no evidence they exist, but it is possible.

PhysOrg Mobile: Could primordial black holes be dark matter?
“That’s a long time to stare at our sun, waiting for the event.” (a bit of humor, there...)
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