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Old 10-25-2011, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Israel
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A black hole can be Vacuum.
1.
A black hole has a temperature within a few
millionths of a degree above absolute zero: T=0K.
/ Oxford. Dictionary./
2.
A stellar black hole of one solar mass has a Hawking
temperature of about 100 nanokelvins. This is far less
than the 2.7 K temperature of the cosmic microwave background.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
3.
Previous Picture of the Day articles about black holes suggested that
the terminology used to describe “gravitational point sources”
is highly speculative: space/time, singularities, and infinite density
are abstract concepts, precluding a realistic investigation into
the nature of the Universe.
/ Oct 12, 2011. Black hole theory contradicts itself. ByStephen Smith /
=.
My heretical idea:
The black hole with thermodynamic temperature T= 2,7K - –--> T= 0K.
is a Homogeneous Energy Vacuum Space
between Galaxies.
Only Vacuum can have infinite spacetime, infinite energy,
infinite energy density and be real structure.
=.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
=====.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:42 AM
 
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A black hole can be Vacuum.
1.
A black hole has a temperature within a few
millionths of a degree above absolute zero: T=0K.
/ Oxford. Dictionary./
2.
A stellar black hole of one solar mass has a Hawking
temperature of about 100 nanokelvins. This is far less
than the 2.7 K temperature of the cosmic microwave background.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
3.
Previous Picture of the Day articles about black holes suggested that
the terminology used to describe “gravitational point sources”
is highly speculative: space/time, singularities, and infinite density
are abstract concepts, precluding a realistic investigation into
the nature of the Universe.
/ Oct 12, 2011. Black hole theory contradicts itself. ByStephen Smith /
=.
My heretical idea:
The black hole with thermodynamic temperature T= 2,7K - –--> T= 0K.
is a Homogeneous Energy Vacuum Space
between Galaxies.
Only Vacuum can have infinite spacetime, infinite energy,
infinite energy density and be real structure.
=.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
=====.
Heavy stuff to think about however i always thought that a black hole was a ''perfect vacuum'' since nothing can escape it although maybe if that was the case then it would colapse on itself?
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Israel
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Heavy stuff to think about
however i always thought that a black hole was a ''perfect vacuum''
since nothing can escape it
although maybe if that was the case then it would colapse on itself?
Many think that black holes are real objects
with mass three – six more than our Sun.
For example: one comment.

Hi Israel,

The disc of matter around a black hole is an insignificant

contribution to the total. The disc of a galaxy is minor compared
to the mass of the central region, but the size difference between
a BH disc and a galactic disc is a factor of millions. Both of
them have large masses at their centers.

YOU, however, claim that a vacuum and a BH are identical,
which is nonsense. A BH has great mass; a vacuum doesn't.

/
Gary /
===========.
My answer.
Look at result. The result is identical.

Socratus.
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Old 10-25-2011, 01:21 PM
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If I had to choose I would go with #3.
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Old 10-25-2011, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Some don't consider a black hole to be part of the universe, aside from the gravity well.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Israel
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Lecture : Scientific heresy

"What sustains pseudoscience is confirmation bias.
We look for and welcome the evidence that fits our pet theory;
we ignore or question the evidence that contradicts it.
We all do this all the time.
It’s not, as we often assume, something that only our opponents indulge in.
I do it, you do it, it takes a superhuman effort not to do it.
That is what keeps myths alive, sustains conspiracy theories
and keeps whole populations in thrall to strange superstitions."

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Old 11-03-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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Lecture : Scientific heresy

"What sustains pseudoscience is confirmation bias.
We look for and welcome the evidence that fits our pet theory;
we ignore or question the evidence that contradicts it.
We all do this all the time.
It’s not, as we often assume, something that only our opponents indulge in.
I do it, you do it, it takes a superhuman effort not to do it.
That is what keeps myths alive, sustains conspiracy theories
and keeps whole populations in thrall to strange superstitions."

[SIZE=3]http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/11/1/scientific-heresy.html[/SIZE]
Scratching me head wondering what the above statement had to do with black holes ...
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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A black hole can be Vacuum.
No it cannot. Black holes have mass.
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Israel
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No it cannot. Black holes have mass.

Look at result.
The result is identical.


In 1859 Kirchhoff started to study interaction between heat
and radiation. In order to understand this effect he invented
the imaginary model ‘black body’
Max Laue called ‘ Kirchhoff black body’ as ‘ Kirchhoff vacuum’
The same definition ‘vacuum’ we can say about ‘black body’ .
Why?
Because the ‘black body’, the ‘ black hole’ , the vacuum can do
one and the same work: completely absorb radiant energy.
And therefore they are identical objects
=..
socratus
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Old 11-04-2011, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Look at result.
The result is identical.


In 1859 Kirchhoff started to study interaction between heat
and radiation. In order to understand this effect he invented
the imaginary model ‘black body’
Max Laue called ‘ Kirchhoff black body’ as ‘ Kirchhoff vacuum’
The same definition ‘vacuum’ we can say about ‘black body’ .
Why?
Because the ‘black body’, the ‘ black hole’ , the vacuum can do
one and the same work: completely absorb radiant energy.
And therefore they are identical objects
=..
socratus
No. The results are not identical.

Black holes have a giant gravitational pull, strong enough to have hundreds of billions of solar systems orbit their center of gravity, and even strong enough to bend light (that is how they were observed in the first place). Vacuum does not have any gravitational pull, certainly not on the black hole scale.
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