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Does anyone think for a minute that the owner of Dortmund and trained by Baffert would spoil a historic chance at the Triple Crown? Dortmund could be used to occupy lanes and deny other horses the ability to catch Pharoah. I can not see Dortmund winning, the owner would likely tell his jockey to pull up and let Pharoah win. Or maybe, since Dortmund is not yet committed to the Preakness, they pass and let Dortmund run somewhere else in the near future.
I'm not sure what the politics behind winning the Triple Crown would entail, but I'd prefer that Dortmund be pulled from the Preakness, than to ask his jockey to pull up in order that American Pharoah have the opportunity to win the second jewel.
To me it seems rather extreme to have any jockey (or horse) do something contrary to their nature.
A golfer can leave a putt short to miss the cut by one because he is too far behind to win if he makes the cut and he would rather go home. Examples are the players who do not need the money like Phil and Tiger.
A quarterback can over throw a receiver. Players can miss free throws.
Easy for a horse to help another horse. As an example only, lets say Firing Line the horse that beat Dortmund and only lost to Pharoah by a neck, likes to ride the rail. That is part of Firing Line's success. Dortmund heads to the rail forcing Firing Line to make other choices and the time needed to change from rail to outside takes time and precious seconds. While the horses that could beat Pharoah are trying to find a place to run in the crowded filed, Pharoah may be in the front and as the others try to find space he darts ahead and can not lose. Dortmund can easily and subtly affect other horses.
Personally we do not think Dortmund would want to spoil Baffert's chance at the triple crown. Especially if Dortmund's owner has won a Preakness before. If Dortmund was not capable of beating Pharoah it would be different. The other horses in the Preakness are not trained by Baffert. They will try to win. I just don't think Dortmund wants to spoil a chance at history which has not happened since what 1976?
Hopefully he does not run in the Preakness. and if Pharoah loses the Preakness he won't run in the Belmont. Most of the owners don't like to run three races in the span of a few weeks. That is why California Chrome's owner got upset last year. Some horses skipped the Derby and pointed toward the Belmont.
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A golfer can leave a putt short to miss the cut by one because he is too far behind to win if he makes the cut and he would rather go home. Examples are the players who do not need the money like Phil and Tiger.
A quarterback can over throw a receiver. Players can miss free throws.
Easy for a horse to help another horse. As an example only, lets say Firing Line the horse that beat Dortmund and only lost to Pharoah by a neck, likes to ride the rail. That is part of Firing Line's success. Dortmund heads to the rail forcing Firing Line to make other choices and the time needed to change from rail to outside takes time and precious seconds. While the horses that could beat Pharoah are trying to find a place to run in the crowded filed, Pharoah may be in the front and as the others try to find space he darts ahead and can not lose. Dortmund can easily and subtly affect other horses.
Personally we do not think Dortmund would want to spoil Baffert's chance at the triple crown. Especially if Dortmund's owner has won a Preakness before. If Dortmund was not capable of beating Pharoah it would be different. The other horses in the Preakness are not trained by Baffert. They will try to win. I just don't think Dortmund wants to spoil a chance at history which has not happened since what 1976?
Hopefully he does not run in the Preakness. and if Pharoah loses the Preakness he won't run in the Belmont. Most of the owners don't like to run three races in the span of a few weeks. That is why California Chrome's owner got upset last year. Some horses skipped the Derby and pointed toward the Belmont.
That makes a bit more sense to me.
I believe that decision on Dortmund would be the owner's call, and he would be coordinating with Bob Baffert as to the logistics. The assumption being that American Pharoah is being given more of a shot to win the Preakness. It must be a great feeling to be able to have such incredible horse race strategy at their disposal!
One horse has decided not to run in the Preakness. International Star I think. So there are only 10 horse entered and Pharoah, Dortmund, and Firing Line are the top three favorites as well as the top three from the Derby. The Belmont may have even less entrants than 10. Pharoah has the easiest races left in some respects.
One horse has decided not to run in the Preakness. International Star I think. So there are only 10 horse entered and Pharoah, Dortmund, and Firing Line are the top three favorites as well as the top three from the Derby. The Belmont may have even less entrants than 10. Pharoah has the easiest races left in some respects.
The less competition, the better.
Sounds like the Triple Crown is closer to being reality for American Pharoah, assuming everything plays out as it should. Of course, there will always be variables such as weather, jockey experience/health, horse experience/health, post position, weight, average speed rating (etc) to contend with.
The Preakness field is down to 10. Maybe less in the Belmont. They say the Triple Crown is difficult because some very good horses fail to make the derby or skip it and race in one of the other two. Very few horses race 3 times in 5 weeks. It looks like the Preakness is a 3 horse race. If Dortmund can subtly affect Firing Line, Pharoah could breeze.
One of the derby horses that got scratched will run in the Belmont. Tonalist is out there too. Those two horses are well rested and some Triple Crowns are lost in the Belmont due to the grind as well as the horses that choose to only race in one of the three events.
Does anyone think for a minute that the owner of Dortmund and trained by Baffert would spoil a historic chance at the Triple Crown? Dortmund could be used to occupy lanes and deny other horses the ability to catch Pharoah. I can not see Dortmund winning, the owner would likely tell his jockey to pull up and let Pharoah win. Or maybe, since Dortmund is not yet committed to the Preakness, they pass and let Dortmund run somewhere else in the near future.
Dortmund and AP are owned by different people, Dortmund's owner wants to win himself, he's not going to pull his horse up so some other owner can win. Also, owners aren't telling jockeys to manipulate races, that's race fixing, if people are going to fix races, they're not going to be telling jocks to pull up horses in million dollar races so some other owner can win.
Sounds like the Triple Crown is closer to being reality for American Pharoah, assuming everything plays out as it should. Of course, there will always be variables such as weather, jockey experience/health, horse experience/health, post position, weight, average speed rating (etc) to contend with.
All horses in the Triple Crown races carry 126 lbs, so weight is not a factor.
All horses in the Triple Crown races carry 126 lbs, so weight is not a factor.
It would be a factor if the limit is exceeded.
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