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Old 05-02-2009, 04:46 AM
 
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Sorry but if you mean to say horses were born this way is ridiculous. Breeders have made the horse so strong and muscular that it's frame can't support the weight and stress from it. They may be bred to run but not when they have genetically enhanced to the point where their ankles snap under their own weight.
exactly how many ankles snap each year so that the horses have to be put down?
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Old 05-02-2009, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Kentucky/ Displaced Texan
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exactly how many ankles snap each year so that the horses have to be put down?

thoroughbreds have weak ankles, which I thought was commonly known. The logic is pretty simple here, if you keep adding muscle onto a frame that can't support it, what happens????? Eight Bells

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Eight Belles had broken both ankles, requiring the 3-year-old filly to be euthanized on the spot.
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Horses are being over-bred and over-raced, until their bodies cannot support their own ambitions, or those of the humans who race them. Barbaro and Eight Belles merely are the most famous horses who have fatally injured themselves. On Friday, a colt named Chelokee, trained by Barbaro's trainer Michael Matz, dislocated an ankle during an undercard for the Kentucky Oaks and was given a 50 percent chance of survival. According to several estimates, there are 1.5 career-ending breakdowns for every 1,000 racing starts in the United States. That's an average of two per day.


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The OP can save the BS about how this is a great "sport", when it's only to please people like themselves. When all the facts say something and you ignore it, thats true ignorance.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:14 AM
 
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thoroughbreds have weak ankles, which I thought was commonly known. The logic is pretty simple here, if you keep adding muscle onto a frame that can't support it, what happens????? Eight Bells

you made the blanket statement that TB's are "genetically enhanced to the point where their ankles snap under their own weight".

I asked the question - exactly how many horses are put down each year because their ankles have snapped? You have not answered the question.
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Kentucky/ Displaced Texan
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you made the blanket statement that TB's are "genetically enhanced to the point where their ankles snap under their own weight".

I asked the question - exactly how many horses are put down each year because their ankles have snapped? You have not answered the question.

Because there aren't definitive numbers on that. Sorry but I thought you could use logic, obviously I was mistaken. I guess the simple concept of to much weight on a frame is a bad thing to complicated for some to understand. If you cared to read the articles, which obviously you did not, you would have seen the majority of horse breakdowns are from their legs. Hey why try to understand when post after post you have shown you could give a rats a@# about the horses.

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. Thoroughbreds are muscularly more powerful than ever, but their bone skeletons seem to be getting lighter and frail.
Hope you weren't betting on the favorite I want Revenge, because they pulled it from the race. Care to guess why? It's ankle.

Further proof, but you will ignore it because thats what the IGNORANT do.

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Old 05-02-2009, 10:55 AM
 
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If there are no definitive numbers, then how can you prove your statement? And yes - I would certainly agree the majority of breakdowns are from their legs, since they are not running on their heads, LOL !
Your latest statement claiming that we don't care about the horses is almost funny (if it wasn't so rude), considering you have no idea who some of the people on here actually are, nor about the work that they do to help animals, equines included.

Yes, IWR was scratched due to some heat in his ankle....kudos to his connections for the scratch. Are you saying that race horses should never expect to have inflammation while they are training?

Maybe I should go talk to the eleven year old TB I'm looking at right now out of my window, who had 62 starts and raced until he was eight, and now has a career as a jumper. He doesn't know he is supposed to have weak ankles and already be dead .

geesh....enjoy your Derby Day...!
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Kentucky/ Displaced Texan
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If there are no definitive numbers, then how can you prove your statement? And yes - I would certainly agree the majority of breakdowns are from their legs, since they are not running on their heads, LOL !
Your latest statement claiming that we don't care about the horses is almost funny (if it wasn't so rude), considering you have no idea who some of the people on here actually are, nor about the work that they do to help animals, equines included.

Yes, IWR was scratched due to some heat in his ankle....kudos to his connections for the scratch. Are you saying that race horses should never expect to have inflammation while they are training?

Maybe I should go talk to the eleven year old TB I'm looking at right now out of my window, who had 62 starts and raced until he was eight, and now has a career as a jumper. He doesn't know he is supposed to have weak ankles and already be dead .

geesh....enjoy your Derby Day...!

Your statements prove you don't care about horse. Unless someone could be so dense to just ignore the fact that 5,000 horses have died as a result from racing. As you said they don't race on their head and their bones are the weakest part so maybe use some logic here and you would come up with their legs break. Not hard to figure out. If I gave you 2 + 2= I would hope you would come up with the answer but, adding more muscle + fragile frame = and you can't seem to figure that out so I guess there is no hope.

Go ahead and tell me you see a horse that started alot of races, that does not change the fact, and I say it again because you ignore it or just don't read it, 5,000 horses have died since 2003 because of horse racing.

The fact that you have Barbaro one year, Eight Bells another, and Never surrender this year all either die or pulled because of leg injuries, might be a clue. Call me rude I don't care, I take it as a complement in not the type of person who make horses carry weight around that they weren't naturally meant to so I could make some money. I guess I love horses more than money.
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Old 05-02-2009, 12:55 PM
 
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Your statements prove you don't care about horse.
oh, good grief....exactly which statement that I've made proves I don't care about horses? Please. show me.....

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Old 05-02-2009, 02:53 PM
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Hold Me Back: here is a pre-race record of my longshot prediction. If correct, I win....the satisfaction of being right.
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Old 05-02-2009, 05:13 PM
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Yeah! I was wrong!

Glad to see the underdog, uh, underhorse win!
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Old 05-02-2009, 05:27 PM
 
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I'm sorry but horses running in a circle is not the most exciting thing in sports because horse racing is not a sport. Even if it was a sport, I could think of hundreds of things more exciting than that.

I am certainly not a horse racing fan but that was a thrilling race; . But I guess there are always some sour pusses around.More people are killed on the highways than wars;but that doesn't seem to make people stop. How about taking your protest to to open highways and letting us watch you run.Besides these horses live a life of lururry compared tot eh priavtely owned horses that are abused;neglacted and often not even feed by the thousdnads and yes they are often put down too. Just as dogs are and cats .

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