AP Female Athlete of the Year (basketball, champions, won, tennis)

[samyn on the green]

What a travesty that Serena Williams won this award over Zenyatta. Serena not once beat the boys in Tennis and disgraced herself on the court threatening to kill an official in the US open right on TV. She said on worldwide TV 'If I could, I would take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat,'




Zenyatta beat the boys at their game at their distance. Zenyatta retired undefeated. Not only does Serena play at a restricted level against her gender but she gets to play abbreviated 3 set matches in grand slams; the boys are playing 5 sets. Zenyatta did everything the boys did and did it better without the protections afforded the fair sex in Tennis. Zenyatta beat the best males in the world. Serena would be 1000-1 to beat Federer in five sets. Zenyatta for AP Female Athlete of the Year.

[skipcromer]

Geez,

1. Your comparing gender battles in horse racing and tennis? Don't see the difference? Seriously?

2. She did not threaten to kill the official, no matter how much you want that to be true.

3. Why would AP name somebody 'female athlete of the year' when maybe .1 percent of the population has ever heard of the person?

4. You make the argument that Williams is 'less worthy' because she plays only 2 out of 3 sets. Well, same argument can be said by this woman having an advantage in riding a better horse than other jockeys.

[samyn on the green]

No capishe? It is you're not your.

Serana only faced restricted competition, Zenyatta beat boys in the breeders Cup classic, which is part of the richest day in all of sports in the richest race in North America. She did this against males. Serena did not beat males.

This is what she said 'If I could, I would take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat,'


More than .1 of the population has heard of Zenyatta, in fact over $20 billion was bet on horse races this year just in North America, just because it is not a big TV sport doesn't mean it does not have its niche. It was not like Zenyatta was some unknown; she was voted in second place by the editors of the national newspapers.

Female tennis players play 3 sets, males play 5 sets. Zenyatta enjoyed no such benefit of a shortened race when beating males in the county's championship race. .


What Zenyatta did was comparable to Serena winning the US Open, not the draw restricted to females but the open comp where the men play.

Originally Posted by skipcromer

Geez,

1. Your comparing gender battles in horse racing and tennis? Don't see the difference? Seriously?

2. She did not threaten to kill the official, no matter how much you want that to be true.

3. Why would AP name somebody 'female athlete of the year' when maybe .1 percent of the population has ever heard of the person?

4. You make the argument that Williams is 'less worthy' because she plays only 2 out of 3 sets. Well, same argument can be said by this woman having an advantage in riding a better horse than other jockeys.

[skipcromer]

Originally Posted by samyn on the green

No capishe? It is you're not your.

Serana only faced restricted competition, Zenyatta beat boys in the breeders Cup classic, which is part of the richest day in all of sports in the richest race in North America. She did this against males. Serena did not beat males.

This is what she said 'If I could, I would take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat,'


More than .1 of the population has heard of Zenyatta, in fact over $20 billion was bet on horse races this year just in North America, just because it is not a big TV sport doesn't mean it does not have its niche. It was not like Zenyatta was some unknown; she was voted in second place by the editors of the national newspapers.

Female tennis players play 3 sets, males play 5 sets. Zenyatta enjoyed no such benefit of a shortened race when beating males in the county's championship race. .


What Zenyatta did was comparable to Serena winning the US Open, not the draw restricted to females but the open comp where the men play.

Sorry, I stopped reading after you felt the need to point out a simple grammatical error.

Again, you are trying to compare gender differences in two very different competitions. You are intentionally being ignorant of that. Maybe this will help:

http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/falsean.htm

Whatever, if Serena being AP female athlete gets you this upset maybe write a letter to AP or something. Im sure they would love to laugh at YOUR logic as well.

Edit:

The amount of money bet on a race has no bearing on how many people know the name of certain jockeys (Care to guess which fallacy that falls under?). This is particularly true of big races when there is a large percentage of people placing 'casual bets' that are not die hard horse racing enthusiasts.

[samyn on the green]

This is not a comparison of gender differences, both Serena and Zenyatta are female; indeed there are no gender differences to compare.

This attempted -now aborted- discussion was a comparison of accomplishments in 2009 by two sports stars. The logic was very sound, a female that beats males in the championship event of her sport has accomplished more than a female that won championships in events restricted to her own gender. It is a pity that this bit of elementary logic has escaped the voters for this award along with the posters in this thread.

Originally Posted by skipcromer

Sorry, I stopped reading after you felt the need to point out a simple grammatical error.

Again, you are trying to compare gender differences in two very different competitions. You are intentionally being ignorant of that. Maybe this will help:

The Logical Fallacies: False Analogy

Whatever, if Serena being AP female athlete gets you this upset maybe write a letter to AP or something. Im sure they would love to laugh at YOUR logic as well.

Edit:

The amount of money bet on a race has no bearing on how many people know the name of certain jockeys (Care to guess which fallacy that falls under?). This is particularly true of big races when there is a large percentage of people placing 'casual bets' that are not die hard horse racing enthusiasts.

[samyn on the green]

Four posts later and you still are not following the discussion very well. No where did I mention a jockey. You should have looked at the link before engaging in a discussion and wasting your time on something that is well beyond your grasp. The second place female athlete is this years AP female athlete of the year award -Zenyatta- (you should have followed the links provided before you posted) is a mare, I am not talking about a jockey. Zenyatta never lost and beat the males in her sports championship event in front of a rabid crowd of 50K fans at Santa Anita. Serana never beat males in her sport.

If you looked at the link provided for your ease of understanding you would see that two of the top ten females this year were horses in the AP vote. No jockeys made the list.

Originally Posted by skipcromer

It is a comparison of gender differences in different sports.

You compare a jockey beating men to a tennis player beating men. That would be like me comparing a chess player to your jockey. Two very different competitions.

Also, by your (flawed) logic the only way a woman should be athlete of the year is if she is able to beat the best man in their sport (you were the one that brought up Rodger Federer). So if this is the case, there will never be any tennis player, basketball player, etc that is a better "athlete" than this jockey.

[knoxgarden]

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