08-20-2012, 03:39 PM
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Sleazy salesmen selling time shares. You can't check into a place without them on your back to sit through their sales pitch and then stiff you out of the prize they guaranteed to give you.
My hubby and I went through this last time we were there. Diamond Resorts. The place was nice enough but their sales managers leave much to be desired and we went away thinking Branson is not that good a place to visit.
I did notice they are not jumping on us when we go out to eat or line up for a show as much as before so maybe Branson stopped that but they are still there at the resorts. Promising free lodging and other gifts just for a few minutes of your time. Then when you do not buy their product they are all over you and weasel out of giving you what they guaranteed to give.
Can't Branson do anything about these people?h
08-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Location: SW MO
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Caveat emptor!
08-20-2012, 03:51 PM
Location: SW Missouri
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Sleazy salesmen selling time shares. You can't check into a place without them on your back to sit through their sales pitch and then stiff you out of the prize they guaranteed to give you.
My hubby and I went through this last time we were there. Diamond Resorts. The place was nice enough but their sales managers leave much to be desired and we went away thinking Branson is not that good a place to visit.
I did notice they are not jumping on us when we go out to eat or line up for a show as much as before so maybe Branson stopped that but they are still there at the resorts. Promising free lodging and other gifts just for a few minutes of your time. Then when you do not buy their product they are all over you and weasel out of giving you what they guaranteed to give.
Can't Branson do anything about these people?h
I worked as an OPC for a while and I can tell you that many times they will not qualify a person properly before sending them to a presentation. If you go, and are not qualified they do not have to give you the incentive gifts. Be sure that you find out what the qualifications are before you go. Typically, the person who checks you in should also see if you are qualified. So if you went through the presentation and did not receive your gifts then two people failed to do their job. If, however, you were qualified but simply did not buy, they cannot refuse to give you your gifts for attending because purchasing the product is not a requirement to receive your incentive gifts.
Timeshare is a very competitive business and you have to be aggressive to be successful. Many people get free vacations for going to timeshare presentations with no intention of ever buying (my cousin does this). But you have to be tough and not let the timeshare guy talk you into buying or make you feel guilty enough to buy. But it is a business just like any other business. Timeshare salesmen have children to feed and mortgages too.
20yrsinBranson
08-20-2012, 03:52 PM
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I don't mind free enterpirse but not coming through with what they guarantee is frustrating. Leaves a bad taste in ones mouth and Branson gets the fallout. May not be fair but it's true.
08-20-2012, 04:00 PM
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I worked as an OPC for a while and I can tell you that many times they will not qualify a person properly before sending them to a presentation. If you go, and are not qualified they do not have to give you the incentive gifts. Be sure that you find out what the qualifications are before you go. Typically, the person who checks you in should also see if you are qualified. So if you went through the presentation and did not receive your gifts then two people failed to do their job. If, however, you were qualified but simply did not buy, they cannot refuse to give you your gifts for attending because purchasing the product is not a requirement to receive your incentive gifts.
We did qualify if did we make enough money is the qualifier. We sat through the presentation, went on the tour and watched the film. After the sales lady (who was very nice I might add) talked to us for another hour she went to find the manager to talk to us but he never came out. We waited and waited. We had tickets for a show and it was getting late so we had to leave. As soon as we went to the desk to get our gifts the manager ran out and yelled we couldn't get them, 90 minutes was the minimum to stay. We had stayed for 2 hours so it was more than the 90 minutes.
He said no and my hubby said, "then you lied to us." After that we left, there was no talking to them. What did they want us to do. Stay until they made us buy? Stay the whole day? Those people are getting crazy. I understand the economy but still.
I did send a letter to the corporate office when they sent the follow up survey. Seems they want to leave a good impression but they really don't care. Buyer beware is right.
08-20-2012, 04:02 PM
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As long as there are people that haven't gotten the memo that timeshares are a ripoff, they'll be timeshare salesmen.
08-20-2012, 04:11 PM
Location: SW Missouri
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We did qualify if did we make enough money is the qualifier. We sat through the presentation, went on the tour and watched the film. After the sales lady (who was very nice I might add) talked to us for another hour she went to find the manager to talk to us but he never came out. We waited and waited. We had tickets for a show and it was getting late so we had to leave. As soon as we went to the desk to get our gifts the manager ran out and yelled we couldn't get them, 90 minutes was the minimum to stay. We had stayed for 2 hours so it was more than the 90 minutes.
Minimum income is one qualification. Other qualifications are usually that you cannot live within 100 miles (sometimes 250 miles) of the resort, you have to be married and both parties must be present, you have to be between certain ages (usually 21 and 60 or 65), you cannot have taken a timeshare presentation within the past 6 months, you have to be employed, you have to not have filed bankruptcy for the past 7 years.
If you met all those requirements then you should have received your gift. I suggest you contact the attorney generals office in Jefferson City to file a complaint. That is the only way you keep honest companies honest and weed out the dishonest ones.
Just curious, what timeshare company was it?
20yrsinBranson
08-20-2012, 04:28 PM
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Minimum income is one qualification. Other qualifications are usually that you cannot live within 100 miles (sometimes 250 miles) of the resort, you have to be married and both parties must be present, you have to be between certain ages (usually 21 and 60 or 65), you cannot have taken a timeshare presentation within the past 6 months, you have to be employed, you have to not have filed bankruptcy for the past 7 years.
Yep, we are all those qualifications. It was Diamond Resorts. We stayed the The Suites at Fall Creek.
08-20-2012, 04:31 PM
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Yep, we are all those qualifications. It was Diamond Resorts. We stayed the The Suites at Fall Creek.
Well then, I would definitely follow up with the attorney general's office. Sorry you had a bad experience.
20yrsinBranson
08-20-2012, 04:55 PM
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Well then, I would definitely follow up with the attorney general's office. Sorry you had a bad experience.
That's ok, there just won't be anymore time shares talks for us in the future. Side note I will tell others about the experience. Probably worse than any other thing we can do to them anyway.
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People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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