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Old 01-28-2007, 10:35 AM
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I have tried to be very thorough in my research and while I have heard the typical Chamber of Commerce fluff I am also seeing this from researching under Springfield, Missouri all over the net. Some of it I found here on this City Data. Please help calm my fears about moving to The "Show Me State".

Springfield Missouri's crime rate on average is fairly high. In fact, our overall crime rate total for 2004 was worse than the national average. stats, [mod]linking to competitors sites is not allowed[/mod]

Crime rates in Springfield MO a- From the 2005 final FBI crime reports for crimes in 2004:

Overall the Springfield, MO Crime Index is worse than the national average.
Break down showing if Springfield Missouri is better or worse on each item, that the national average:

Springfield MO Violent Crimes WORSE
Springfield MO Murders BETTER
Springfield MO Rapes WORSE
Springfield MO Robberies BETTER
Springfield MO Aggravated Assaults WORSE

Springfield MO Property Crimes WORSE
Springfield MO Burglaries WORSE
Springfield MO Larceny/Thefts WORSE
Springfield MO Motor Vehicle Thefts WORSE

Sex offenders- Springfield MO- Greene County Sex Offender List (broken link)

In only 8 days in
January 2007 58 home burglaries and 30 auto thefts were reported in Springfield, Missouri. Police have received additional reports of mail theft .

Springfield, MO is located in Greene County where domestic violence rate is nearly double the state's average, due in part to the area's high rate of methamphetamine usage. Meth is a huge problem, in Southwest Missouri,*

Gang activity on the increase in Springfield Mo

According to KY3 (television) there are a number of gangs in Springfield, including Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Latin Kings, Surenos out of Chicago, Bloods and Crips out of Los Angeles, and MS 13 out of Central America.

The notorious street gang Mara Salvatrucha or MS 13 (mentioned in the KY3 story about Springfield, MO's gang problem) was said by Newsweek to be "the Most Dangerous Gang in America" and says this exceptionally vicious Central American gang is considered the fastest-growing, most violent of the nation's street gangs.

The marabuntas, or maras, as they are known (after a deadly species of local ants) are coming back into the United States bringing rampant crime, committing thousands of murders, and contributing to a flourishing drug trade.

Oprah had a story on this gang from Central America as did Reader's Digest. Many times they chose their victims at random.

Meth in Springfield Missouri [url=http://springfield.news-leader.com/specialreports/meth/0131-Stateworks-293802.html**]Springfield News-Leader | Page Not Found[/url]

Taxes in Springfield Missouri-* isn't very tax friendly for retiree's -they tax everything..Social Security, retirement, etc. Car/license registration can seem a bit high. Low real estate and personal property taxes.*

For big city amenities, head to Little Rock, Kansas City, Tulsa, or St. Louis....all about equal distance from Springfield.
Branson entertainment is a little too corny.

Popular in Springfield- hunting and guns, Nascar, Bass Pro, Auto shows, drag racing, "thowed rolls" which means you go to a restaurant and want another roll just holler and they throw it across to you.

Present-day deterioration of Springfield's inner city. Alongside historic facades bearing dates as early as 1883, you encounter soup kitchens and shelters for the homeless.Jobs/Employment in Springfield- There seem to be many opportunities as a realtor. Lots of activity in real estate--lots of opportunity to make big bucks. Google "online real estate classes" if you want to get your training that way*

Traffic ,one of the biggest downfalls of Springfield, MO, is bad as its infrastructure was simply not designed for heavy traffic. Springfield is a grid of streets which makes for lots of stop lights at intersections, many of the main ways in and out and across town are an issue. There are few right turn lanes, even on the busiest thoroughfares, so anyone making a right turn stops the traffic behind him. Needless to say, there are a lot of car accidents in Springfield. It is best to avoid the city during certain parts of the day to try to avoid exposure to the bad traffic. Turning main streets into expressways has made it hard on pedestrians and bicyclists*******

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Old 01-28-2007, 10:36 AM
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Ugly housing in Springfield, MO Much of Springfield, MO was built between 1950 to 1980, a period in which some of the ugliest trends in architecture were in vogue. Much of the middle class housing, particularly the ones built in the 60's and 70's, aren't all that attractive. Wood bungalows with a little stone trim, aren't attractive. Aesthetics along Glenstone and Sunshine and numerous similar roads. And the strip malls built during that period are ugly also. Strip malls and above ground power lines are ugly, especially as the strip malls age.

What is with some of the houses in Springfield with the foundation showing????

Housing/Real estate- You will get much more for your money in Tulsa, OK than Springfield, MO.

Urban sprawl - Springfield has had some issues dealing with the growth,

Urban lifestyle in Springfield Mo? There isn't a sense of that in most of the area,

Child Pornography in Springfield, MO (Green County) [url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=child+pornography+greene+county+spr ingfield+mo[/url]

Child abuse in Greene County -the rate of reported cases of child abuse and neglect are higher than those in Kansas City or St. Louis. According to the Missouri Department of Social Services for the 2004 fiscal year Green County reported 5,346 total child abuse and neglect cases. [url]http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/mrspears1115167703[/url]

Cable company Springfield MO (Monopoly) - MediaCom absurdly overpriced due to lack of competition! (Note: the City Utilities are also a monopoly...ask the citizens the horrible ordeal they just went through with the ice storm and being out of service--some for up to 13 days...) MediaCom is the ONLY cable company in Springfield you are forced to pay their exorbitant fees if you want service. They seem to raise their rates every year.

Greene County is becoming more liberal/democratic as the city grows larger and people move in from more liberal areas, but the surrounding rural counties are very much conservative and Republican.

The best area to live in Springfield, MO- While you will find the most rude drivers and awful traffic out south some (especially realtors who are doing the selling---and make more money off of more expensive homes) say it is generally south of Sunshine St. But those who live south of Battlefield Road will tell you that they don't consider anything to the north of Battlefield Rd to be the nicer part of Springfield.

Weather in Springfield MO- It often gets over 100 with high humidity, 70+% which makes for a hellish experience and it gets below 0 with extreme wind chill. The bone-chilling effect you will experience is much because of the humidity which makes the damp effect. A 20 degree day feels like you are freezing clear to the bone. They tell me that it is the humidity - the air is moist, so it feels as though you are cold AND wet. You have to understand about the ice storms. One person who had lived in Wisconsin said the waist-deep snow was a picnic compared to an Ozarks ice storm.

And in the summer- You'll get *very* tired of hearing "It ain't the heat, it's the humidity." nasty heat- You gotta take the good with the bad- The humidity, ticks and snakes are what you get when you are enjoying our lushness of green trees and our lakes.
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:38 AM
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Winter of 2002- 18" of snow at evening rush hour that shut the city down for days, and then several more passes of 5 - 10" over the next several weeks. Jan 2007 was the horrible ice storm that caused wide-spread devastation. Jan 12-14 2007 Three-day long ice storm- While with periods of freezing rain are fairly common, ice storms, which basically decapitate trees, down power lines and cause general chaos but most recent was called the worst in over a century. State of emergency declared.

http://uservideo.weather.com/item/NVSD6F4ML5KFHV9W (broken link) Video of trees down. (Some homes were destroyed by the falling trees!)

Springfield came in #1 in the nation for most variable (wierdest) weather, and it's true, it changes all the time and can fluctuate wildly.

Tornadoes- May 4th tornado outbreak that demolished a few local towns. Tornadoes seem to hit more in south Springfield.
Tornadoes in Greene county you can go here to see the ones between 1950 and and 1995 and the number of deaths. At the top of the page you can click to see the tornadoes before 1953 and another place will show you after 1995. [url]http://tornadoproject.com/alltorns/motorn2.htm#G[/url]

More on tornadoes in Springfield, MO [url]http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkkcMrbxFolkAb2hXNyoA?p=tornadoes+i n+Springfield+MO&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt[/url]

All of the small towns around Springfield have a tornado warning system. Also, all of the radio and TV outlets do a great job of alerting everyone when there is a severe thunderstorm or tornado threat. Lots of interrupting your programs for live Dopler radio feeds, for example.

The Weather Service operates a NOAA weather radio all the time. You can buy a monitor for about $30 and program it to pick up the forecast for your area and to sound an alert for any watches or warnings. When the tornado warning tone goes off at 2:00 AM, it WILL wake you up

Make sure you have a tornado shelter near you (you can have one built) and have really good insurance.

Springfield-area historical tornado activity is 35% greater than the overall U.S. average.

On 11/29/1991, a category 4 (max. wind speeds 207-260 mph) tornado 4.6 miles away from the Springfield city center killed 2 people and injured 64 people and caused between $5,000,000 and $50,000,000 in damages.

On 4/29/1983, a category 3 (max. wind speeds 158-206 mph) tornado 6.9 miles away from the city center killed one person and injured 19 people and caused between $5,000,000 and $50,000,000 in damages.
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:41 AM
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Colleges and Universities- There are three or four Bible colleges in the area-Evangel, Central Bible College and Baptist Bible College, along with Southwest Baptist University in Bolivar, Ozarks Technical Community College, College of the Ozarks near Branson . And of course, liberal colleges MSU and Drury. A big draw back is there is not a Medical degree or Law degree offered in the area- No local law school or medical school.

Religion- The area is very religious and conservative. Evangelism and Christian activism rules here. Many mega-churches. There are a lot of churches, namely because there are several Bible colleges there and the Assemblies of God headquarters is there

Witchcraft in Springfield, Mo-Yes there is a coven.

Many complain that once you get there you find that Springfield is very boring place with noting to do....like it shoud be a suburb of a big city where you have to driveto the city for something to do. Only entertainment seems to be is for drinkers or if you fish or hunt....and forget Branson! Otherwise you have nothing to do there. I'm not sure how it has grown to the size it is without having some kind of decent entertainment.
[LIST][*]Seasonal allergy sufferers may not like what they will have to endure.[*]TICKS AND CHIGGERS! Spiders galore, Mosquitos, gnats, flys, beetles[*] Snakes - Copperheads, Water Moccasins, Cotton Mouths, Rattlesnakes, All deadly.you are more likely to find a Rattler- you really need to watch for here are the copperheads.[*]The brown recluse spider, however, is a force to be reckoned with, and the milder the winter, the more prevalent the spider.[*]You find pockets of racism and sexism.[*]It's hard to get fresh seafood, but plenty of catfish.[*]a red state.[*]Attention liberals-there are A LOT of conservatives in Springfield, MO. You're pretty much outnumbered in that department.[*]Highway surfaces need repair.[*]Fashion (and other) trends are passe by the time they get to us. But thankfully, I- 44 which passes through the north part of Springfield ties Tulsa and Oklahoma City to St. Louis.[*]trees and the lush greenery everywhere of Missouri. is not good as we found out in recent ice storm." Springfield looks like a bomb blew up." by a citizen in Springfield MO after most recent ice storm- Jan 12-14, 2007.[*]We believe in capital punishment![*]Wild Turkeys- Mo has more wild turkey's than any other state so you just might see them in your yard.[*]caves. [*] backwards language. Backwards thought.[*] hunting yes because there are still families here that live off the land.[*]The signage (billboards) when you enter the state of Missouri from the south is embarrassing....but we are proud of our Hillbilly heritage. (Don't you want to be a southwest Missouri hillbilly?)[*] the woods here there are mostly evergreen trees, not the thick woods you could explore in all day. [*]Not much for city living though. Most towns you pass through from Arkansas to St. Louis on Hwy. 67 (About 200 miles) have only a simple convenience store and nothing else.[*]It's kinda swampy in a lot of areas and hilly in others.[*]While real estate here may seem incredibly inexpensive-check out Tulsa! [*]Men (and women and children) with mullets, and lots of stock car racing fans. Look for Dale Earnhart tributes on the back of vehicles[/LIST]
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:57 AM
Location: Springfield, Missouri
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Your rudeness and chutzpah is appalling. Just don't come. I think we're better off as a community without the black hole of negativity you'd bring. Move to Miami, Detroit, New Orleans, or LA and find yourself somewhere you can spend your nights sleepless with worry.
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Old 01-28-2007, 12:33 PM
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I have to say, I agree. You seem to have no positive thoughts about Springfield, so why waste your time? Good luck finding a place that has no negative aspects whatsoever.
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Old 01-28-2007, 12:36 PM
Location: Ozark, MO
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Default Wow. I mean, um, wow.

So you are complaining that we have too many conservative churches, and you complain that we have a witches coven?

We dont have fresh seafood? Um, we're in the middle of the country. I'm sure that Tulsa has fantastic seafood, given its location next to the ocean.

You complain about racism and sexism (basically stereotypes) and then go on to say that the whole state has mullets, and is illiterate and inarticulate and hillbillies. Isn't that an example of YOUR stereotypes?

The trees here are almost all evergreens? Where??? Anyone that drives through here in the fall and sees the gorgeous colors understands that the vast majority of trees lose thier leaves every fall. Besides, I don't get the whole "woods you can explore in" concept.

It's swampy in some areas and hilly in others. You just described every state in the US, including Alaska and Hawaii.

As far as the Realtors "making more money off of the more expensive homes in the south", that is utter nonsense.

I've been a Realtor for 14 years in this market. and yes, the majority of the growth is going south. The reason, however is because I-44 creates a natural boundary to the north, and the southern corridor (toward Branson) has just naturally been the choice for growth.

However, I sell homes in North Springfield, South Springfield, and all areas in between, and I have had the pleasure to work with some wonderful families who are very proud of their community, as am I. This community is a thriving cross section of conservatives, liberals, christians, non-christians, and every race and color that you can imagine - just as it should be. I moved here from Seattle 15 years ago worried about what I might find, but have been overwhelmed with the kindness, helpfulness, honesty, and sense of community that this area offers.

Most of the "facts" that you have researched are dead wrong.
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Old 01-28-2007, 03:52 PM
Location: Ozark, Missouri
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Default researching?

With all due respect, I have to point out some flaws in your take on our area or at the very least what your research is showing.

One of the reasons that crime may be rising in this area is that we are growing, with that growth will come an unwanted element and I believe that to be true for any growing city in this nation. I would point out that in your research while our crime rate may have increased, did the crime rate go down in St Louis? Detroit? L.A. or New York? It could be that the percentage was high because we have had some very low percentages in the past and that any increase is going to be noticeable.

Several times you mentioned the ice storm, yes it was bad, we were declared a federal disaster area, but did you hear in your headlines that folks were suing the government or blaming them, did you hear in the headlines that folks were shot or killed because the town had no power, as one person who sought shelter outside his home I can tell you nothing was touched in my house and I was away from my house for a week 4 nights at a hotel and 3 nights at some relatives homes, there was at no time a worry about the prospect of my house being looted, or vandalized. Our local media went into mode to announce where shelters were, when and where supplies such as generators and kerosene could be bought. Those were the headlines during the tragedy, life saving information and neighbors helped neighbors. I think your dead wrong about this area, and while I can understand that this last weather storm could scare anyone I defy you to find another area in the country that would pull together like the people of Southwest Missouri have pulled together, here many times we don't have to look to ridicule our government to the point that they extend a hand out many times your neighbors hand is already there to help before anyone else. Thats the kind of place this is, so no its not all about a coven, throwed rolls, or tributes to Dale here in Springfield Missouri, and by the way the only time I was ever bit by a brown recluse was on vacation in Texas.
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Old 01-28-2007, 03:59 PM
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Well, if what you want is an urban, liberal, low crime big city heavy with nightime venues, little chance of tornados, consistent weather with fluffy forests, no Christians, cheap housing, no bugs or wildlife, flat land without water issues, no sense of history, no mid-century housing and a desirable place to live, then you may be better off elsewhere. Although many of those qualities are incompatible, maybe you can find it somewhere.

I don't know where it is since everyplace has its issues. It's simply a matter of determining what's important to you and applying appropriate weight to the ones that matter.

Good luck in your search.

BTW guys, please don't assume that California is an appropriate alternative for that attitude. Not that I care much anymore since I've left my native state, but that's the problem. People think that Californians are inappropriate in a variety of ways that may be different for different people. What they don't realize is that the vast majority of screwy people are not Californians. They're imports from elsewhere in the country.

It used to be a nice place but, as my grandfather once said, God picked up the east coast and shook it. All the nuts fell from the trees and they rolled out to California. The imports from (you name the states/areas) are the ones that messed up the nice thing we had going.

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Old 01-28-2007, 04:35 PM
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Well I have done my research too and I would rather deal with bugs, poison ivy, tornados and a little bit of crime than the enormous amount of traffic, rude people, high crime and high cost of living that Las Vegas has to offer. Although I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here most of my life, I am excited to be moving to the Southern Missouri area. It is GREEN and from what I have seen from my last visit there several years ago, they have small town fun. I love the idea of a town parade and country living setting. There are dangers no matter where you live, you just need to be educated about the area and be smart. For example, I definitely have learned my lesson in regards to "enjoying the roadside flowers" or the "battlesites during a rainstorm" by having weeks of pure torture from those nasty little chiggers that leave you itching for weeks. That was enough for me to make a serious mental note but I won't let some little microscopic spider like creature stop me from enjoying the beautiful lands that Missouri has to offer. I will just be more prepared next time.
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