11-08-2007, 05:21 PM
Location: fairbanks ak
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i still need legal counsel in the so. utah region. as i mentioned i would prefer a non-biased representation if that exists.
i appreciate any feedback i recieve. thank you
11-09-2007, 07:05 AM
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[i] still need legal counsel in the [southern] [Utah] region. [As][i] mentioned[,][i] would prefer a non-biased representation [sic] [,] if that exists.
[i] appreciate any feedback [i] receive.[sic] [Thank] you[.]
I was under the impression you were referred to an attorney by Casselli’s; I now assume that counsel was not to your liking. If I recall correctly from your original post, you were seeking a non-LDS attorney, which I assume translates into your quest for a “non-biased” representative. I have some suggestions; hopefully, they will be of assistance.
You will have some difficulty finding a non-LDS attorney. It’s not that they don’t exist; it is a matter of advertising. Unless an attorney advertises as LDS or non-LDS, you won’t know one way or another until you ask them. I ran a Google search for “non-LDS attorneys in Utah” and found nothing useful. I was, however, referred to your original post.
So, first you need to decide what kind of attorney you need, such as a family, criminal, or contract law attorney. Once you have made this decision, go to the phone book and start calling attorneys who specialize in the area of law in which you need assistance. Once you have them on the line, ask them whether they are LDS. You might also try a legal referral service, but I doubt they will know the religion of an attorney unless he or she so advertises.
Now, for some final comments, you assume much in believing that a LDS attorney will not serve you in keeping with the law and without prejudice. In addition, you assume much in believing that a non-LDS attorney will serve you any better. You need to be more concerned with the competency of your selected counsel than his or her religion. I have some experience with attorneys, and I can tell you that incompetence is not an infrequent problem, and religion does not seem to be a factor in this issue.
11-09-2007, 02:26 PM
Location: fairbanks ak
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assume
well from the tone of your message you seem to assume much. you and are rather condescending in nature. Why? i have engaged various attoney's in that area. much to my dismay... each and everyone did not represent my case in a manner that was not biased toward the mormon religion.... i have contacted the bar association in salt lake, no help.... i have posted online... again no help...i have contacted the catholic church organization in utah.. no help.. hmm... let see i have spent hours online trying to find a non mormon lawyer soo...there you have it! and the casselli's.. well i posted back my great interest but i guess that we had a failure to communicate or i have erred somehow in the process of answereing the nice reply from them. i am still interested in what they have to offer so do not presume....please...
i sense that you are irrated by the fact that i asked for a non biased counsel?
your tone was somewhat curt and pedjudiced. my experience has been quite awful and very expensive. do not presume to know me and why i would ask for a particul type of attorney.
11-10-2007, 07:46 AM
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well from the tone of your message you seem to assume much. you and are rather condescending in nature. Why? i have engaged various attoney's in that area. much to my dismay... each and everyone did not represent my case in a manner that was not biased toward the mormon religion.... hmm... let see i have spent hours online trying to find a non mormon lawyer soo...there you have it! and the casselli's.. well i posted back my great interest but i guess that we had a failure to communicate or i have erred somehow in the process of answereing the nice reply from them. i am still interested in what they have to offer so do not presume....please...
i sense that you are irrated by the fact that i asked for a non biased counsel?
your tone was somewhat curt and pedjudiced. my experience has been quite awful and very expensive. do not presume to know me and why i would ask for a particul type of attorney.
I am simply telling you the way it is. Next, because you write, "much to my dismay... each and everyone did not represent my case in a manner that was not biased toward the [M]ormon religion. [i] have contacted the bar association in [S]alt [L]ake, no help.... [i] have posted online... again no help... [i] have contacted the [C]atholic [C]hurch organization in [u]tah[,] no help..," I must come to the conclusion that you have your answer. The outcome you desire is not in keeping with the statutes and codes of Utah and the United States. You assume your desire or perspective in the issue at hand is in conformance with the law, and it appears such is not the case. Simply stated, you don’t have a case.
It would be interesting to read about your legal issue. Perhaps someone could direct you to an appropriate source once they have been able to review the legal issues.
11-10-2007, 12:27 PM
Location: fairbanks ak
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again thank you. but i still say you are assuming too much. sometimes it is difficult to see things from all sides of a perspective. it is a difficult issue as i have said. again, thanks for your imput.
11-10-2007, 04:01 PM
Location: Kingman AZ
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again thank you. but i still say you are assuming too much. sometimes it is difficult to see things from all sides of a perspective. it is a difficult issue as i have said. again, thanks for your imput.
I am NON LDS NON resident of St George but a frequent visitor and I think Sarg gave you EXCELLENT advise.....it may be that you won't be satisfied until you get an answer you like and that just may not be possible. i.e. you 'case' may not be winable.
Sorry but that's the way it is in the real world.....just because we think we have been wronged doesn't mean it's so.
11-10-2007, 05:43 PM
Location: Northern Nevada
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Why don't you try an attorney in Nevada..maybe Mesquite or Vegas...its a bit farther, but when we had our trust done last year in St. George, our attorney was licensed in CA and UT..if you want pm me and I can get the number to you....I assume he was LDS was did an excellent job for us and seemed very non biased towards us...
11-12-2007, 03:56 PM
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I am NON LDS NON resident of St George but a frequent visitor and I think Sarg gave you EXCELLENT advise.....it may be that you won't be satisfied until you get an answer you like and that just may not be possible. i.e. you 'case' may not be winable.
As you stated " you are only a frequent visitor". There is a BIG difference between being a resident and a visitor. Unless you live here and find yourself on the other side of the fence, you have no idea how it can be..and neither does Sarg.
11-12-2007, 05:34 PM
Location: Northern Nevada
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Ditto Casselli's...
11-13-2007, 10:05 AM
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As you stated " you are only a frequent visitor". There is a BIG difference between being a resident and a visitor. Unless you live here and find yourself on the other side of the fence, you have no idea how it can be..and neither does Sarg.
I beg your pardon. I am a resident, or have you forgotten that reality? If you mean the other side of the fence to mean non-LDS, then you are partially correct; however, I only see Biblical End Times wailing and gnashing of teeth from a very small minority on the other side of the so-called fence. This fact continually leads me to the conclusion that some people need to change the direction of their index fingers by 180 degrees.
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People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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i appreciate any feedback i recieve. thank you
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