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Old 07-12-2020, 09:45 PM
 
Location: South St Louis
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Some people lament that the city of St. Louis used to have 2 and 1/2 times the current population. I don’t think this is all a bad thing. Imagine what St. Louis would be like with 850,000 people. Arguably, there would be 2 and 1/2 times the traffic, 2 and 1/2 times the number of crimes, and 2 and 1/2 times the noise. Quality of life would change.
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Old 07-12-2020, 11:36 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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I lived there when it had 850,000 people. Half of them moved five miles out. Some ten miles. It is pretty much the same with the exception of the sleepiness of downtown compared to the 1950s. It is a reasonably comfortable medium sized city.
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Old 07-18-2020, 03:18 PM
 
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I was looking at the former Pruitt-Igoe housing project and it seems the site is still a wasteland and, unlike Cabrini Green in Chicago, hasn't been redeveloped: link. The surrounding area does not exactly seem to be thriving either. It seems there is too little demand for housing to redevelop the area? Where did the Pruitt-Igoe residents move to?
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Old 07-18-2020, 09:56 PM
 
Location: South St Louis
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Isn’t that near north side intelligence agency supposed to employ thousands? If so, those people are going to want some nearby support businesses. Such as a gas station, a deli, a convenience store, a coffee shop, etc. Also, it’s expected that a percentage of those workers will prefer to live close to their job. Which might entail them getting a downtown loft, or maybe they’d prefer a new house or condo. It could spur new residential construction.
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Old 07-19-2020, 02:27 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Not saying it is mostly due to people leaving but average household size is a large factor, too. If STL had the same number of homes and all were occupied the large drop in average household size would still result in large population loss. Pre 1950 most people have 2 to 5+ children living with them.
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Old 07-24-2020, 10:23 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Isn’t that near north side intelligence agency supposed to employ thousands? If so, those people are going to want some nearby support businesses. Such as a gas station, a deli, a convenience store, a coffee shop, etc. Also, it’s expected that a percentage of those workers will prefer to live close to their job. Which might entail them getting a downtown loft, or maybe they’d prefer a new house or condo. It could spur new residential construction.
I don't see why that would happen.

The NGA is already in the City and the overwhelming majority of employees drive in/drive out. They will do the same for the new facility. It is a large, high security facility. It's time consuming to leave and that will discourage employees from strolling around, as is the case for the existing facility, which is in a much better area than the new facility will be in.
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Old 01-03-2021, 05:42 PM
 
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I really don't think annexation is the answer. Memphis can annex and it's led to some negative results. As soon as the city annexes an unincorporated suburban area, white flight begins anew and people end up moving even farther out, resulting in even more sprawl. The area that it annexed then goes way downhill and becomes a suburban wasteland. Annexing suburban areas into the city lowers the population density and adds vast swaths of land that the city may or may not be able to provide services to. I'd hate to see that happen to St. Louis.
Agreed. If anything I think STLCo should be split into three
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Old 01-03-2021, 06:44 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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There is no mystery. For the most part, the people are still there. The housing shortage following WW2 brought large scale development to places outside of the static city limits, frozen in the 1870s. The old city was largely concentrated and walkable or with access to public transit. With movement of returning soldiers' young families and concomitant white flight to the suburbs, and the development of express highways and interstates, the population spread out. St. Charles and Florissant were old cities founded by the French that later became suburbs. Webster Groves, and Ferguson were stops on trolley or train routes.

My grandparents took a trolley to St. Charles to get married in 1908 as a daylong wedding outing with friends. St. Louis was still the 4th largest city and they could have married anywhere but the idea of a desirable trip to "the country" was alive even then. Later people moved out to "the country" once they could commute easily enough.

St. Louis City covers an area of 66 square miles, less than 1/4 the area of Memphis and 1/3 the size of Chicago and 1/2 the size of Omaha. Kansas City is nearly five times bigger in area due to annexation.
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Old 01-10-2021, 06:37 PM
 
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There is no mystery. For the most part, the people are still there. The housing shortage following WW2 brought large scale development to places outside of the static city limits, frozen in the 1870s. The old city was largely concentrated and walkable or with access to public transit. With movement of returning soldiers' young families and concomitant white flight to the suburbs, and the development of express highways and interstates, the population spread out. St. Charles and Florissant were old cities founded by the French that later became suburbs. Webster Groves, and Ferguson were stops on trolley or train routes.

My grandparents took a trolley to St. Charles to get married in 1908 as a daylong wedding outing with friends. St. Louis was still the 4th largest city and they could have married anywhere but the idea of a desirable trip to "the country" was alive even then. Later people moved out to "the country" once they could commute easily enough.

St. Louis City covers an area of 66 square miles, less than 1/4 the area of Memphis and 1/3 the size of Chicago and 1/2 the size of Omaha. Kansas City is nearly five times bigger in area due to annexation.
Up until 1960's KC was 58 square miles. Now the 260 more square miles up north of the MO river has more population than the original KC footage.
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