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Old 10-17-2019, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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Wait, I'm defening St.L-- as the hockey team is THE Blues, no? This is why my thoughts are far closer to a southern influenced one then a Chicago one. Chicago is more like a Detroit style vs Miss. Delta Blues music type city. Chicago is a Jazz city not a Blues music city. Memphis is a Blues city, & again, St.L is more like Memphis style (hence a southern style city) than Chicago, in my opinion.
Too bad Jazz is a Southern musical style (started in New Orleans) that was brought to Chicago during the Great Migration. One of the most famous Jazz musicians is also from the St. Louis area. You know...that little known guy named Miles Davis. So that pretty much pokes holes in your theory. Both Jazz and Blues are Black American cultural products, which by default makes them Southern artforms. Also St. Louis has no shortage of Jazz culture until this day. It also historically was and still holds a place in the music culture of the city.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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St. Louis felt a lot more Midwest in architecture, layout, and mannerisms than it did Southern to me on visits. I think a large part of it is the gritty industrial feel in parts with a bounty of large historic buildings.
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Old 10-29-2019, 01:59 PM
 
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I'll chime in to say it is MOST for sure southern, as the Blues music is Miss. Delta influenced -- vs Chicago which is Jazz. So by reason of the music & cultural comparison, I'd say far closer to Memphis style than Chi-town -- which is north latitude & midwest longitude. Just IMHO.
Chicago had the blues too as did Detroit. All came from the South. North latitude Midwest longitude...that’s real specific. St. Louis is definitely both of those. St. Louis got blues and jazz from Memphis as did Chicago during the Great Migration. Southern culture is not native to St. Louis...St. Louis was a recipient of it through the Great Migration as were other Midwestern cities. Your argument has been nullified.
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Old 10-29-2019, 03:38 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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We've been beating this dead horse for a long time. Saint Louis was a French town well into the early decades of the 19th century. That era was mixed in later years with settlers from the upper south. Then it became very Irish and even more German and still bears strong German roots today. There were blacks there from the beginning -- some free but most were not until the 1860s. The Great Migration brought a different wave of southern blacks and some southern culture. There has been an influx of transplants from rural Missouri and 40,000 Bosnians. It has been one thing and then another for its entire history. It is the westernmost eastern city, but apart from that it pretty much defies categorization or labels. yThe one thing that is constant is the river...its reason for being. There is a faint culture associated with the river that can be mistaken by some for southern and one can find it in many river towns up and down the Mississippi and lower Missouri and probably in places on the Ohio River. Different regions claim this, that, or some other thing, be it food or music or language, but they all flowed through and found a home in Saint Louis because it was, and is, the crossroads of regions and American cultures.
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Old 01-30-2020, 06:03 AM
 
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St Louis was the largest city in any Slave State --- but it was the Union Armies Gibraltar of the West -- which helped mightily in defeating the Confederacy ---

growing up in the CWE ---I've always looked at Out State Missouri as an embarrassment ---like most southern states are
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Old 01-30-2020, 06:08 AM
 
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A border city is more like it. Union controlled and with abolitionist leanings to me makes for a Northern city in a Southern state. St. Louis has always been at odds with its home state and many St. Louisans will agree.

agreed
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