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Old 03-28-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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Here is a post that I wrote concerning things I heard over the years from this thread-

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Note - I have not been hearing as negative things in recent years -


It depends on where the other person is from -

Most midwest people I have met do not seem to think much about it one way or the other, except Chicagoans who seem to never have anything good to say... some things I have been asked in the Windy City over the years-

"I guess your looking to get out of there"
"I hear all the companies are leaving"
"So you trying to move to Chicago?" answer - "no i am just here to see your baseball team fail"
"ya know, St. Louis skyline looks like Elgin" answer -"actaully no, Clayton skyline looks like Elgin"
"So I guess you live way out in the suburbs, huh?"

Get a lot of negative comments from KC folks also, always seem to want to "one up" you on everything.
Cinci, Indy and Minni I have heard nothing but complimentry things. My cousin lives in Detroit and would really like to move to StL but is tied to the auto industry.

Most east coast people seem to have an OK view of the city.

I guy from Baltimore I deal with was amazed after he made a visit to see the Ravens play here in 2011, told me that he would love to have Soulard in B-More.

A group of New Yorkers who I shared a table with at a wedding, thought it was a "nice midwest city" and "everyone is friendly there" probably thought it was about the same as Indy

I have not had alot of exposure to the south so my interactions are limited.

Southerners seem to be afraid of any weather north of the Mason Dixon line. Almost every comment I have heard from southerners was about how I deal with the weather, as everyone here knows the weather has been pretty mild for a couple of years, total perception thing.

I was referred to as the "yankee" in a conference call meeting by a client group from the south, it was in jest.

The worst comments and opinions I have heard are people from the west and west coast, whose comments I have heard over the years make the Chicagoans look nice.

"St. Louis is a war zone, I hear you can not walk downtown"
"We have built up urban areas here, guess thats new to you"
"You have done a good job getting rid of your southern accent"
"So are they just going to abandon the city?"

honestly I could go on with that, it is amazing. I think it is part of the American migration legacy. after all where you migrate to has to be better than where you come from, at least in your own mind, or you would be making a mistake, and the west was the last frontier so by logic "It must be the best" and by default "the rest of the country must be crap"

When I lived in Europe there is little to no knowledge of StL, other than most people have heard the name.

Upon arriving in the UK I was asked how I was "adjusting to cold weather in London", I explained that StL is just as cold, if not worse than London most of the winter.

What the English had a hard time undestanding was that the country had more subcultures than, east coast, west coast, texas and southerners. You had to be on of those 4 are they did not get you.

I also got a kick out of how many brought up the American revolution, seeing how all my ancestors arrived way afterwards, and I was not of English descent so I did not see the US as an "English cousin" as they like to see it.

Found the Germans to have a little more savvy in understanding US culture without the colonial baggage
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Old 03-28-2014, 04:04 PM
 
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Why do people think the winters here are bad? They're really not (except for this year, but it was an outlier anyway). We even have the occasional 60-degree day thrown in the middle of winter too (I remember it being 70 in the middle of January as recently as last year).
Yeah I always find that pretty funny, people act like winter in Missouri is just a notch below Nunavut or something, ignoring the fact half of winter days top out above 40F. The daytime temperatures in winter there are not much different from the city I live in, which is considered to have almost a non-winter for how far north it is.
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Old 03-28-2014, 05:21 PM
 
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Yeah I always find that pretty funny, people act like winter in Missouri is just a notch below Nunavut or something, ignoring the fact half of winter days top out above 40F. The daytime temperatures in winter there are not much different from the city I live in, which is considered to have almost a non-winter for how far north it is.
nationally realtors have built an entire market on fear of weather
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Old 03-28-2014, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Lemon Heights, Orange County, CA
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This is probably the norm for diehard Californians or transplants to CA who loathe cold weather or appreciate the vast amount of activities and scenery there. Also, depends on your stage of life. I have been there done that in terms of sunbathing at the beach, mountain trips, intense schools, and an active night life... Now I am looking for a more relaxed environment- down to earth people, outdoors without being surrounded by traffic, a break from 40 years of awesome Mexican food (ha) and looking forward to new experiences. Sometimes I think it just keeps your mind and soul energized to make changes, whether it be a move to a completely new place, get a new job,etc.

Again, I look forward to tackling the challenging aspects along with enjoying the benefits of our new home. And hope to hear more about the must see or must do in saint Louis!
Wow, I could have written this post. I am not going to say that I won't miss some things about California (mainly friends) but the beach/club scene, traffic, too many people anxious to get their piece of the pie before it's too late, and taxes....it's a great time for a change.

I agree with the poster who said California natives would probably have a harder time, I'm a California native. But I also think that a resilient person with a good outlook who is willing to embrace a new place vs a person who gets stabby that their new location is not exactly like the old one is going to have an easier adjustment.
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:48 PM
 
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In general I think it's harder for West coast people to move anywhere else. You do have to be able to adapt to conditions you're not used to: regular summer humidity, mosquitoes/gnats/etc., winter snows and colder temps. But spring and fall are typically beautiful, and imo there is something reassuring about the cycle of 4 seasons.

As someone who lives on the west coast but isn't a native, I would definitely consider a move to STL. It's a pretty good city with more affordable COL, and some nice little towns with good schools, and woods and other things to do nearby. And for me the climate is generally milder than other places I've lived and survived.

If you're a born and bred SoCal person, then sure, it will be a bit more of a shock.
You say shock, I say "delight"!!
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:57 PM
 
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Old Trafford, I just wanted to say that I loved reading your comments and laughed aloud at many of the things you have heard over the years. A STL local had told me that there is a rivalry between Chicago and a couple other cities I cannot recall. That just makes me adore it even more--I love to cheer on the Underdog.
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:51 PM
 
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I think St. Louis is a good choice for those who are looking for an alternative to big cities without the hassle and cost.

I personally can see St. Louis being a great place for families or an established person to settle in. You get a lot of "city" for your money.

St. Louis is not for the outdoors type so don't locate there looking for mountains, beaches and a lot of outdoor recreation at your door step.
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Old 03-29-2014, 06:04 AM
 
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St. Louis is not for the outdoors type so don't locate there looking for mountains, beaches and a lot of outdoor recreation at your door step.
That's completely wrong, unless you define outdoor recreation as literally "mountains and beaches". StL has hiking and bike trails galore, for starters.
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Old 03-29-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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That's completely wrong, unless you define outdoor recreation as literally "mountains and beaches". StL has hiking and bike trails galore, for starters.
That's true.

I was thinking more in line with activities that are related to the southern California mountains and beaches.
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Old 03-29-2014, 07:38 AM
 
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That's completely wrong, unless you define outdoor recreation as literally "mountains and beaches". StL has hiking and bike trails galore, for starters.
Hiking trails? You must be joking. There is nothing around St. Louis that could be considered a real hiking trail.

St. Louis does not have an outdoor lifestyle. Have seen how many obese people there are in St. Louis?
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