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Old 04-28-2014, 06:13 PM
 
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Unfortunately, that private involvement was too late-what could have been a second Lafayette Square or Soulard is now empty field.

Now the question is, what goes there now?
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Old 04-28-2014, 07:57 PM
 
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The city needs to provide significant incentives to people moving into these areas that are showing improvement to expedite the gentrification process. There are tax abatements and enterprise zone loans certainly but these typically apply to developers and rehabbers. Other incentives could be added for the regular folks who move into these areas to live.
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Old 05-01-2014, 04:11 PM
 
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If you want a good idea of what a gentrified north city looks like, study the gentrification of DC, Brooklyn, Harlem, Oakland and San Francisco. If you wanna get an idea of the kind of people that would move into a gentrified north city, observe the whiny, spoiled, bratty, know-it-all-yet-know-nothing and often racist gentrifiers comments on the DC and New York boards or visit diehipster.com. Heres some quotes from another post i made on this subject:

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If gentrification does come, depending on how many hipsters move in and how the so called "art" scene grows, north city gentrification will be fast and furious. blacks in north city will continue to go into North county or out east into Illinois (east STL, Cahokia, washington Park, maybe even belleville).

I'd love to see north city get revitalized, but after seeing whats happened in New York, DC and numerous other major cities, I'm afraid it'll be full blown gentrification rather than just revitilization and stabilization......it seems in american cities it has to be one extreme or the other.....either a full blown gentrified hipster/yuppie orgy or a burnt out deprived slum.

Gentrification.....be careful what you ask for
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Old 05-01-2014, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Saint Louis, MO
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Not sure that there are too many similarities between STL and DC, NYC, and San Francisco. In order for the north side to be revitalized by the hipster effect, the already established areas would have to become too expensive. Most of the already-nice or improving areas are not too expensive for the typical college graduate.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:32 PM
 
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Id love to wish the same......but if revitilzation gets enough steam, the major development companies will get involved. Once they get invovled, block after block of slums will be bought up by these companies, rebuilt and resold for massive profit. a major real estate titan's involvment is often a key ingredient in gentrification.
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Old 05-05-2014, 08:46 AM
 
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The City of St. Louis desperately needs an influx of tax paying residents to pay for infrastructure, public services, public schools, etc. To me, it doesn't matter if these residents are "whiny brats" or working class heroes. The city is big enough to accommodate all types and more residents of any stripe is definitely a good thing. This anti-gentrifcation stuff is pure nonsense.
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Old 05-05-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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The City of St. Louis desperately needs an influx of tax paying residents to pay for infrastructure, public services, public schools, etc. To me, it doesn't matter if these residents are "whiny brats" or working class heroes. The city is big enough to accommodate all types and more residents of any stripe is definitely a good thing. This anti-gentrifcation stuff is pure nonsense.
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Old 05-05-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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I've moved back to St. Louis a few weeks ago from Chicago and one of the things I love about my St. Louis is the lack of attitude with the residents.

I hope that the city can grow into something nice but gentrification in the way of Back Bay (Boston) Lincoln Park (Chicago) can take away from a city and it's soul and sense of place.
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Old 05-05-2014, 02:24 PM
 
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Eventually, the vast majority of the North side is gentrified, and the area is built up again.
It would be great but there is just not enough people. Even the fastest growing large metros are only growing just over 2% a year (according to a Forbes article I just read).
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:44 PM
 
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It would be great but there is just not enough people. Even the fastest growing large metros are only growing just over 2% a year (according to a Forbes article I just read).
I read the same thing. Austin is growing at abt 2.5% and Raleigh-Durham is abt 2.1%. It doesn't seem like much when you look at it on an annual basis, but when you compound it out over a decade, it's a lot. At those rates, Austin will have grown on a percentage basis in 9 years more than the counties in STL metro have since before 1970. Same with Raleigh in abt 11 years.

As for the original question, if those north side areas gentrified, that would be a huge game changer for the city. Not because those areas specifically gentrified, but because what that would imply for the central corridor and many of the older south city neighborhoods. The near north areas are pretty resistant to gentrification for both economic and racial reasons. For those areas to see significant gentrification outside of a fairly small pocket around ONSL, that would mean that 20 or so neighborhoods in the central and south have become so expensive that people looking for the next thing would be willing to invest northward in large numbers. I don't see that happening for quite some time.
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