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It's time to stop confusing cause and effect, and blaming the wrong people.
The mainstream media narrative is always the same: no opportunities, poor schools, white people moving out, etc. But communities don't come from nowhere. Nothing pops out of the sky or is funded by Martians. Communities, towns, cities, nations, are the cultural product of the people who inhabit them.
Nonblack people (and many black people as well) who are productive and do the right thing, and work, and take responsibility for themselves and their families, and want safe, decent areas to work and live, are constantly portrayed as though we are the bad guys and monsters, even though we actually keep this entire enterprise called America going.
I'm sick to death, of the constant blame game and media fanning the flames, as if to drive everybody in this country apart, and against each other. And now Ferguson is done as a viable city.
And I have no sympathy for criminals or rioters. Michael Brown made his choices. And the rest of us are supposed to lie awake crying at night, when we have the million issues we are struggling with in our own lives? Going to work. Paying for food and gas. Keeping our families together. Paying taxes.
Give me a break.
I mean, does everybody want a civil war? Is that what we want?
Some people have schools to attend, jobs to go to, and families to raise, and can't just drop everything and riot every time there is tragedy in a country of 320 million people that happens to be pretty violent and have incidences like this all of the time.
Don't believe a word of the mainstream media, and protect yourself, your families, and friends.
It's time to stop confusing cause and effect, and blaming the wrong people.
The mainstream media narrative is always the same: no opportunities, poor schools, white people moving out, etc. But communities don't come from nowhere. Nothing pops out of the sky or is funded by Martians. Communities, towns, cities, nations, are the cultural product of the people who inhabit them.
Nonblack people (and many black people as well) who are productive and do the right thing, and work, and take responsibility for themselves and their families, and want safe, decent areas to work and live, are constantly portrayed as though we are the bad guys and monsters, even though we actually keep this entire enterprise called America going.
I'm sick to death, of the constant blame game and media fanning the flames, as if to drive everybody in this country apart, and against each other. And now Ferguson is done as a viable city.
And I have no sympathy for criminals or rioters. Michael Brown made his choices. And the rest of us are supposed to lie awake crying at night, when we have the million issues we are struggling with in our own lives? Going to work. Paying for food and gas. Keeping our families together. Paying taxes.
Give me a break.
I mean, does everybody want a civil war? Is that what we want?
It wouldn't be the first time a war was started over the shooting death of one person.
Let me get this straight; here we have a 6'3", 300 lb THUG (with a criminal record) who ROBBED a liquor store, brazenly shoves the store clerk, then waltzes out of the store, right down the middle of the street. A police officer confronts this THUG, who scuffles with the police officer (who was just DOING HIS JOB), and assaults him, severely injuring his orbital socket. Does anyone ever thing that Brown knew he may have been 'wanted' when the officer stopped him, which explains 'why' he got violent with the officer.
The officer then resorts to using lethal force, and he's now the bad guy? Then, Brown's THUG buddy who was part of the robbery steps up and regurgitates lie after lie about how Brown had his hands in the "er" (mispronunciation of the word "air") and how the cop shot Brown in the back 8 times like an animal. After further investigation, it turns out this 'buddy' has a criminal record too, and is wanted on other charges, and the autopsy clearly proves Brown was shot in the FRONT, NOT the back.
Plus, there were other eye-witnesses (on the scene in the black community), who have yet to step forward, be put in the limelight and interviewed by the liberal media. Then we have those 'race-baiting' so-called 'black leaders' like Al Sharpton (who's been involved in all sorts of other things like the Tawana Brawley incident etc.), and Jesse Jackson, (whose own IL legislator son is in prison for corruption), stepping in to stir more emotions by claiming 'racism' and continually use the term "dis-enfranchised" when referring to blacks who have been supposedly been 'wronged' by system and police who are DOING THEIR JOBS to stop the crime being committed by black and protecting the rest of us from their shenanigans.
When will the black community stop placating the thugs and criminals amongst them? When will they stop committing a disproportionate amount of crime in this country? When will they stop blaming everyone else for all the problems plaguing their community, including the gang violence, endemic poverty, the disproportionate drop-out and teen-aged pregnancy rates? When will the black community start holding themselves accountable, stop blaming others for the problems plaguing their community (gangs, drugs, welfare, etc.), get their young men to pull up their pants, get an education, and quit their buffoonery?
Does anyone ever think this Brown character may have been a bully who picked on the wrong guy; a police officer with a GUN who was doing his job? It's pretty clear; the black community thinks they can do no wrong, and anyone who disagrees is racist, when in fact they are the racist ones in this country and are a complete JOKE. They're NOT fooling me, nor plenty of other law-abiding American citizens, who have had enough of their (B)ovine (S)cat and it's time for everyone to call-them-out on this so we don't have to deal with stuff like this again.
You obviously have issues.
What incident report have you read? Did you listen to Al Sharptons eulogy? Do you personally know anyone who witnessed the shooting? Are you willing to hold Darren Wilson accountable if found guilty of murder?
Let me get this straight; here we have a 6'3", 300 lb THUG (with a criminal record) who ROBBED a liquor store, brazenly shoves the store clerk, then waltzes out of the store, right down the middle of the street. A police officer confronts this THUG, who scuffles with the police officer (who was just DOING HIS JOB), and assaults him, severely injuring his orbital socket. Does anyone ever thing that Brown knew he may have been 'wanted' when the officer stopped him, which explains 'why' he got violent with the officer.
The officer then resorts to using lethal force, and he's now the bad guy? Then, Brown's THUG buddy who was part of the robbery steps up and regurgitates lie after lie about how Brown had his hands in the "er" (mispronunciation of the word "air") and how the cop shot Brown in the back 8 times like an animal. After further investigation, it turns out this 'buddy' has a criminal record too, and is wanted on other charges, and the autopsy clearly proves Brown was shot in the FRONT, NOT the back.
Plus, there were other eye-witnesses (on the scene in the black community), who have yet to step forward, be put in the limelight and interviewed by the liberal media. Then we have those 'race-baiting' so-called 'black leaders' like Al Sharpton (who's been involved in all sorts of other things like the Tawana Brawley incident etc.), and Jesse Jackson, (whose own IL legislator son is in prison for corruption), stepping in to stir more emotions by claiming 'racism' and continually use the term "dis-enfranchised" when referring to blacks who have been supposedly been 'wronged' by system and police who are DOING THEIR JOBS to stop the crime being committed by black and protecting the rest of us from their shenanigans.
When will the black community stop placating the thugs and criminals amongst them? When will they stop committing a disproportionate amount of crime in this country? When will they stop blaming everyone else for all the problems plaguing their community, including the gang violence, endemic poverty, the disproportionate drop-out and teen-aged pregnancy rates? When will the black community start holding themselves accountable, stop blaming others for the problems plaguing their community (gangs, drugs, welfare, etc.), get their young men to pull up their pants, get an education, and quit their buffoonery?
Does anyone ever think this Brown character may have been a bully who picked on the wrong guy; a police officer with a GUN who was doing his job? It's pretty clear; the black community thinks they can do no wrong, and anyone who disagrees is racist, when in fact they are the racist ones in this country and are a complete JOKE. They're NOT fooling me, nor plenty of other law-abiding American citizens, who have had enough of their (B)ovine (S)cat and it's time for everyone to call-them-out on this so we don't have to deal with stuff like this again.
The difference between integrating the suburbs and the city is who was where first when neighborhood start to integrate, geographic job access, and housing characteristics.
In the newer burbs, transit is a problem, which keeps people without a certain level of comfort away. Black or white, people aren't likely to move where they area a tiny minority in the presence of other options. Housing characteristics are big too. Smaller inner suburb homes aren't going to be attractive to middle class residents (generally), which sends white middle class residents out to other white areas, making room for an influx of black residents. It's an area of the metro that has lost favor with white households with disposable income. In the city, housing choices are more diverse in a given block. You can buy a 2000+ sq foot home, a 1000-1500 square foot duplex, or live in an 600-1000 square foot apartment style unit. White middle class residents can move in and find their best option while blacks already in a neighborhood can find the same. Job access is good thanks to transit and proximity to Clayton, Medical district, DT, and industrial corridors. Suburban neighborhoods are generally bought and sold strictly on housing style/quality (and schools if people have kids), so if an area changes racially, there is less to keep someone there. City neighborhood homes are more differentiated: there is a limited supply of certain housing types (compared to suburban styles), and local amenities are more emphasized and there is more to anchor people to the local community.
And the biggest difference: who is "encroaching" upon whom. Given historical trends all over north county and city in particular, a white home owner is likely to pack up and leave an area as it becomes more black (the home value argument). A black homeowner in Shaw or TGE meanwhile is likely loving the fact that young white couples with higher incomes are moving into their areas. They might miss some neighbors and the general neighborhood character, but they are loving the home appreciation.
Re: the ability of the city to maintain its current level of integration. I doubt it will continue where things are integrated now. STL is a low demand housing market, so neighborhoods don't drastically change in a short period of time the way they do in established coastal cities or Chicago, but changes are occurring. Many historic neighborhoods today are so much more attractive to a largely white middle class compared to where they were 20 years ago. I'm thinking places like TGS, Shaw, the Grove, Benton Park, TGE that had a lot of disinvestment at that time. They're in better shape (and whiter) now. What formerly where enclaves are starting to melt together and they'll probably continue to melt into BPW and Fox Park more and more in the next 20 years. As those areas become more homogenous, I do expect other areas to integrate (Marine Villa, Gravois Park) some of SW city.
That may actually be a problem. Look at what's happening in San Francisco. The incident you are talking about (young white couple with high income) would probably be considered gentrification. Especially if it happens very rapidly. The reverse problem happens. Look at what's going on with the city right now, especially near the central corridor. The central corridor will get bigger, but then push the poorer people out into North County. It's like a paradox.
Let me get this straight; here we have a 6'3", 300 lb THUG (with a criminal record) who ROBBED a liquor store, brazenly shoves the store clerk, then waltzes out of the store, right down the middle of the street. A police officer confronts this THUG, who scuffles with the police officer (who was just DOING HIS JOB), and assaults him, severely injuring his orbital socket. Does anyone ever thing that Brown knew he may have been 'wanted' when the officer stopped him, which explains 'why' he got violent with the officer.
The officer then resorts to using lethal force, and he's now the bad guy? Then, Brown's THUG buddy who was part of the robbery steps up and regurgitates lie after lie about how Brown had his hands in the "er" (mispronunciation of the word "air") and how the cop shot Brown in the back 8 times like an animal. After further investigation, it turns out this 'buddy' has a criminal record too, and is wanted on other charges, and the autopsy clearly proves Brown was shot in the FRONT, NOT the back.
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You might have a point if it all happened just as you say. But this is all based on rumor, because after 3 weeks the police have still not released a statement telling us what happened (but they were sure quick to release that liquor store video). There are only two people who really know what happened that day, and one of them is dead. I'd like to hear from the other one.
One of the biggest problems with the demographic changes is the new residents are not voting for people who represent their interest.
I have heard this sentiment expressed a lot the last two weeks and have been pondering it. Since the "new" residents in Ferguson are black - and the city power structure is largely white - what is being said is black people are not voting for other black people. This implicitly assumes that only black people can represent black peoples' interest. To me, this begs several troubling questions: can only white people represent white peoples' interests? And why do blacks and whites have separate interests? And what are those interests - and why are they separate?
Rounding up, Ferguson is roughly 70% black and 30% white. Does that mean the mayor should be black and the city council should be at least 70% black to represent the interests of the majority black population of Ferguson?
St. Louis county as a whole is almost a mirror image of Ferguson demographically:
Would one also assume that the county executive should by default be white and the council at least 70% white to adequately represent white peoples' interests?
Regrettably, yes. What a totally odious piece of human garbage that man is. I've known snails with more character and ethics.
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