Most annoying thing you discovered upon moving to St Louis (St. Louis: living, versus)

[OpanaPointer]

Originally Posted by aliasfinn

Whenever you are the first one to arrive at a red light always honk your horn in case the ones behind you aren't paying attention.

I was rear-ended here in St. Louis last month by a lady who didn't realize that you don't just barge through a light. So, maybe you have an idea there.

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by OpanaPointer

I watch a lot of dash cam videos on Youtube* and that helps me accept St. Louis traffic. But I still try to get away from cars with no drivers, i.e., the ones where the only occupant in the car is busy on their cell phone. Add the Pokeholers, and things just get worse.






*Former auto claims handler here.

That's true. We live on a fairly busy street in an inner ring suburb (not a subdivision) near the local high school, so we routinely see high school kids flying down the street with their heads down into the phones. Of course, it's not limited to them, but they are the ones we see most often.

[OpanaPointer]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

That's true. We live on a fairly busy street in an inner ring suburb (not a subdivision) near the local high school, so we routinely see high school kids flying down the street with their heads down into the phones. Of course, it's not limited to them, but they are the ones we see most often.

I've videos of people, including kids, who try to claim that chasing Pokemons is a valid excuse for speeding or causing an accident. It's awesome to watch.

[sb2323]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

I also hate O'fallon and avoid it when I can, so maybe that's why I don't see this stuff as much. O'fallon is where people who hate other people go to live.

O'Fallon is a great city. Not perfect, but it has regularly appeared in "Best Places in America to Live" lists and for good reason. It may not be as friendly as the "true South" but it's a nice place to live with generally kind people.

[sb2323]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

It's more that they have a very specific idea of the community they're willing to tolerate, i.e. people who can afford homes like theirs. That's why so many of these subdivisions form HOAs with anti-rental covenants, fight tooth and nail against nearby rental properties, etc. They want to maintain isolation from anyone who isn't the Right Kind of People.

I strongly disagree. It's not a desire to keep a "certain type of person out" (guessing you mean race and/or socioeconomic level). It's to maintain standards of the neighborhood. In general, people who rent tend not to care for their yards as well as people who own their own homes. In general. I think that's the issue, nothing more, nothing less. Of course some small minority of residents may indeed have issues with people they feel don't "blend in," but you will find that in every neighborhood among every socioeconomic status.

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by sb2323

I strongly disagree. It's not a desire to keep a "certain type of person out" (guessing you mean race and/or socioeconomic level). It's to maintain standards of the neighborhood. In general, people who rent tend not to care for their yards as well as people who own their own homes. In general. I think that's the issue, nothing more, nothing less. Of course some small minority of residents may indeed have issues with people they feel don't "blend in," but you will find that in every neighborhood among every socioeconomic status.

Maintaining a high standard for yard care and upkeep is itself a manifestation of class privilege, so I don't really see the distinction.

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

Maintaining a high standard for yard care and upkeep is itself a manifestation of class privilege, so I don't really see the distinction.

I'd venture to say virtually all people prefer to live around people who share their standards and values - probably even you.

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

I'd venture to say virtually all people prefer to live around people who share their standards and values - probably even you.

Nah, I like to meet different kinds of people.

[STL2006]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

Nah, I like to meet different kinds of people.

Except the ones that don't share your exact mindset or live in your type of neighborhood apparently.

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by STL2006

Except the ones that don't share your exact mindset or live in your type of neighborhood apparently.

I don't drive out to O'fallon and walk around random subdivisions striking up conversations with strangers, if that's what you mean. But there are plenty of jerks around here I enjoy talking to.