Don't meet me in St. Louis?

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by U146

You two are so focused on the negative things about St. Louis...if you hate it that much why not just leave?Moderator cut: mod cut The crime is pretty much isolated to North City. If you don't venture into the dangerous areas, crime won't happen to you.

You are doing a disservice to your cause here. The argument that violent crime is isolated to North City is about 20 years old. I won't even bother to google the stuff going on in Dutchtown, roving gangs in Gravois Park, the "knock out game" that was going on in those areas plus Tower Grove South about which they've stopped reporting but I seriously doubt it's not happening, to roving gun battles downtown (yes we've had several in the last couple of years). Knockout games downtown (the young lawyer beaten senseless near Washingon), the young mother car jacked and killed on Washington avenue with her baby dropped off later. You can't seriously claim this is only in North St. Louis anymore. This isn't your grand parent's St. Louis.

Plenty of violent crime in the CWE - one of the city's crown jewel neighborhoods, both recent and from a couple of years ago (young lady SLU graduate).

[aliasfinn]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

You are doing a disservice to your cause here. The argument that violent crime is isolated to North City is about 20 years old. I won't even bother to google the stuff going on in Dutchtown, roving gangs in Gravois Park, the "knock out game" that was going on in those areas plus Tower Grove South about which they've stopped reporting but I seriously doubt it's not happening, to roving gun battles downtown (yes we've had several in the last couple of years). Knockout games downtown (the young lawyer beaten senseless near Washingon), the young mother car jacked and killed on Washington avenue with her baby dropped off later. You can't seriously claim this is only in North St. Louis anymore. This isn't your grand parent's St. Louis.

Plenty of violent crime in the CWE - one of the city's crown jewel neighborhoods, both recent and from a couple of years ago (young lady SLU graduate).

I could also mention North County but we got enough problems. Did you see that Coldwater Creek turned white ? Now what are they dumping in there ?

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by aliasfinn

I could also mention North County but we got enough problems. Did you see that Coldwater Creek turned white ? Now what are they dumping in there ?

Heard something about it on KMOX driving home. Sounds like a problem.

[goillini8]

It's a hard thing to pin down. St. Louis is definitely a "keep your head on a swivel" city where serious crime can and does happen in even the good areas. But, the clickbait articles and hand wringing among posters on various forums severely overplay the chances of anything bad happening to you in those same areas. Yes, STL has awful neighborhoods, but every year we see articles and forum discussions essentially communicating that it's an impossible city to live in, no matter what area in the city, without being the victim of serious crime, which just isn't true.

People are searching for some black or white "truth" as to STL - either it's uniformly a hell-on-earth violent city that no one should live in, or, other than the known bad areas, it's perfectly fine and saying anything different is just "hating." Neither is completely true. It's, of course, more complex.

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by goillini8

People are searching for some black or white "truth" as to STL - either it's uniformly a hell-on-earth violent city that no one should live in, or, other than the known bad areas, it's perfectly fine and saying anything different is just "hating." Neither is completely true. It's, of course, more complex.

Nobody is saying there's no crime in STL. They're saying you can walk down the street without expecting a dozen "urban" thugs to jump out of dumpsters and ambush you the second you cross the city line. There's more crime in urban areas because there are more poor victims in urban areas. Generally speaking, middle-class people are safe regardless of what city they are in, assuming they aren't in the city to buy wholesale cocaine or something.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf

Edit: It's like saying Ohioans like Trump, and Pennsylvanians like Clinton. Actually, non-college whites like Trump and college whites + minorities like Clinton, and Ohio has a higher proportion of non-college whites. Don't expect a black guy who moves to Ohio to suddenly start supporting Trump. It's possible, but if you made a habit of betting on it you'd go bankrupt pretty quick.

[mjtinmemphis]

I know many who live in St. Louis all of their lives and never worry about crime. Is it a safe city? I wouldn't classify it as a safe city but is it scarry to the point where safety is a constant concern? No.

St. Louis is like many other cities. You stand a greater chance of being ran over than you do being shot to death.

[shiraziman]

I lived in St. Louis for 20 years. It depends on where you go. Many confuse suburbs (counties) with the actual city of St. Louis. With that said, I and a few of my family members were victims of robbery around WashU, Barnes, and South Grand.

[Jjmars]

Originally Posted by shiraziman

I lived in St. Louis for 20 years. It depends on where you go. Many confuse suburbs (counties) with the actual city of St. Louis. With that said, I and a few of my family members were victims of robbery around WashU, Barnes, and South Grand.

It can be pretty garbage in those areas.

[U146]

Originally Posted by Jjmars

It can be pretty garbage in those areas.

LOL no. Just no. Do you live off of spreading lies?