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Old 01-19-2017, 01:46 PM
 
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How does it feel being in Missouri and knowing the person next to you possibly is packing? Makes me feel safer.
If you implicitly trust random strangers next to you with guns, I dunno why you'd feel the need to carry a gun in the first place. How do you know that person isn't planning to rob you?
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Old 01-19-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Maybe so, but the state is ran by Chicago. Even if southern IL is conservative, upstate IL has most of the population and there is simply no way to change that. Their house and senate will always have democrat control.
Not all of southern Illinois population wise is even conservative. St. Clair County is blue, and Madison County is purple. The Senate was also Republican as recently as 2002. It goes in cycles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...th_in_Illinois

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IL only got concealed carry because the federal courts basically forced them into it. They ruled against IL and they were to either issue permits or it would have became a constitutional carry state hence why the democraps even voted for it. Their shall issue law is horrible though. Nothing like in Missouri and nearby Kentucky or Indiana. State of IL knew better to appeal the appeals court ruling because that would have mean the US Supreme Court could then rule against them and make all 50 states shall issue or constitutional carry.

I don't ever see FOID going away unless another suit is brought up once again. Yea land might be cheap in IL but the state is ran by crooks to the extreme. Downstate IL has no say in politics.
Yeah, none of that alone would ever make me want to live in the state of Missouri, and I'm sure there are many people in St. Louis who feel similarly. Especially considering Missouri's gun violence went up after the state government rolled back its laws. So much for making people safer.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/h...-killings.html
Study shows gun violence surged in Missouri after repeal of gun control laws | PBS NewsHour
Missouri homicide, suicide rates jumped after repeal of background checks, researcher says | Law and order | stltoday.com

Indiana's similar gun laws are also Chicago's Achilles' heel because legally obtained guns in Indiana are brought into Chicago (the city shares a land border with the state), and then illegally resold and distributed in Chicago.
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Old 01-19-2017, 03:38 PM
 
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Not all of southern Illinois population wise is even conservative. St. Clair County is blue, and Madison County is purple. The Senate was also Republican as recently as 2002. It goes in cycles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...th_in_Illinois



Yeah, none of that alone would ever make me want to live in the state of Missouri, and I'm sure there are many people in St. Louis who feel similarly. Especially considering Missouri's gun violence went up after the state government rolled back its laws. So much for making people safer.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/h...-killings.html
Study shows gun violence surged in Missouri after repeal of gun control laws | PBS NewsHour
Missouri homicide, suicide rates jumped after repeal of background checks, researcher says | Law and order | stltoday.com

Indiana's similar gun laws are also Chicago's Achilles' heel because legally obtained guns in Indiana are brought into Chicago (the city shares a land border with the state), and then illegally resold and distributed in Chicago.
That study is flawed and most know it.

Besides, a lot of the crime takes place in St. Louis and KC. Just how many of them people in the city are felons anyway and didn't buy guns legally because they can't.

Also those places in IL are basically an extension of St. Louis metro anyway. I'm talking the more rural areas of Southern IL, not the ones bordering St. Louis.
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Old 01-19-2017, 04:20 PM
 
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That study is flawed and most know it.

Besides, a lot of the crime takes place in St. Louis and KC. Just how many of them people in the city are felons anyway and didn't buy guns legally because they can't.

Also those places in IL are basically an extension of St. Louis metro anyway. I'm talking the more rural areas of Southern IL, not the ones bordering St. Louis.
If you say so.

Regarding Southern Illinois, without the Metro East, Southern Illinois is about 500,000 people spread across a massive geographic area. In comparison, Madison and St. Clair Counties combined are about 500,000 people as well. Chicago and its Illinois suburbs are about 8 million people.

Southern Illinois can be as conservative as it wishes, but what they don't get to do is dictate to the other 12.3 million people in the state.
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Old 01-19-2017, 05:58 PM
 
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If you implicitly trust random strangers next to you with guns, I dunno why you'd feel the need to carry a gun in the first place. How do you know that person isn't planning to rob you?
How do you know that they are not going to save your life one day? It is already a law not to murder, but criminals do it anyway. In other words it doesn't matter how strict your gun laws are, criminals are not going to observe them.
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:54 PM
 
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If you say so.

Regarding Southern Illinois, without the Metro East, Southern Illinois is about 500,000 people spread across a massive geographic area. In comparison, Madison and St. Clair Counties combined are about 500,000 people as well. Chicago and its Illinois suburbs are about 8 million people.

Southern Illinois can be as conservative as it wishes, but what they don't get to do is dictate to the other 12.3 million people in the state.
That's what I mean. Chicago dictates the entire state. Everyone knows the politicians from Chicago are corrupt.

Also look at the recent IL governors who go to prison. Both democrat and republican.
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Old 01-19-2017, 07:43 PM
 
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102 counties in IL, and 91 of them went Republican, but the population of Chicago pushes the entire state Blue. That's like if there was no electoral college and CA decided every election for the USA. Must be frustrating for the overwhelming majority in IL.
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:43 PM
 
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All I know is that tomorrow, January 20th, REAL hope and change begin in this country, undoing the last eight years of damage and failure.

Hey St. Lou - LOVE y'all, do the right thing - go TRUMP. St. Charles County loves Trump, and look how beautiful, serene and crime free it is.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:48 PM
 
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102 counties in IL, and 91 of them went Republican, but the population of Chicago pushes the entire state Blue. That's like if there was no electoral college and CA decided every election for the USA. Must be frustrating for the overwhelming majority in IL.
Also I have to wonder how much of those votes are fraudulent.

While in Missouri only THREE counties went to Clinton. St. Louis county/city, Jackson County, and Boone county. Everywhere else Trump won. A number of rural counties in southern Missouri Trump got over 80 percent of the votes.
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Old 01-19-2017, 11:34 PM
 
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102 counties in IL, and 91 of them went Republican, but the population of Chicago pushes the entire state Blue. That's like if there was no electoral college and CA decided every election for the USA. Must be frustrating for the overwhelming majority in IL.
Overwhelming majority? Let's crunch some numbers, shall we? Those 11 counties have a total population of roughly 8.9 million people. Illinois has a total population of about 12.8 million people. Obviously winning a county isn't winner take all, nor is every resident of Illinois an eligible voter who did in fact vote, but the fact of the matter is that the majority of Illinoisans voted for Hillary.

Looking at the Chicago/Illinois and California/US comparison, Chicago is 21% of Illinois' total population, Cook County is 41%, and Chicagoland is 63%. California, meanwhile, is 12% of the US' total population. Even if we came up with some electoral college like system for Illinois, which is based on population size, Cook County's 5.2 million would never be equal to Hardin County's 4,135 people. The majority of Illinois voters weren't short changed, because the majority of Illinois voters simply don't live in those 91 counties.

The only majority feeling frustrated is probably the one that voted for Hillary by more than 2.9 million votes more than Trump nationwide, and yet they still ended up with Trump. That's why this election was unprecedented. A candidate losing the popular vote but winning the electoral college has happened in only a handful of elections, but never by as wide of a margin as this. It may never happen again.

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Also I have to wonder how much of those votes are fraudulent.

While in Missouri only THREE counties went to Clinton. St. Louis county/city, Jackson County, and Boone county. Everywhere else Trump won. A number of rural counties in southern Missouri Trump got over 80 percent of the votes.
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