Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Missouri > St. Louis
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-04-2016, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
50,340 posts, read 63,906,560 times
Reputation: 93266

Advertisements

My daughter and son in law just bought a 100+ year old house in St Charles, just a few blocks from the river. They are soon to be empty nesters, and are thrilled at the prospect of walking to shops and restaurants, and even to church. They can't wait to get there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-04-2016, 10:13 AM
 
1,400 posts, read 862,995 times
Reputation: 824
Quote:
Originally Posted by MUTGR View Post
Crestwood now has some of the hottest real estate in the area because young families want to be in the Lindbergh School district, so that's probably a bad example.
Just curious, why is the Lindbergh School district so attractive right now? Does it have anything to do with the VICC program?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-05-2016, 08:48 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
7,444 posts, read 7,011,224 times
Reputation: 4601
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1grin_g0 View Post
Just curious, why is the Lindbergh School district so attractive right now? Does it have anything to do with the VICC program?
I don't know about the VICC program, but this article from one year ago speaks to how hot Crestwood is in large part due to Lindbergh School's reputation:

Lindbergh School District sees overcrowding as Crestwood populat - KMOV.com
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2016, 09:13 PM
 
1,400 posts, read 862,995 times
Reputation: 824
Quote:
Originally Posted by MUTGR View Post
I don't know about the VICC program, but this article from one year ago speaks to how hot Crestwood is in large part due to Lindbergh School's reputation:

Lindbergh School District sees overcrowding as Crestwood populat - KMOV.com
Thanks for the link. It is nice to see the Lindbergh district doing so well.

To get back on topic, I'm not sure why St. Charles County doesn't get as much love on this forum. It certainly gets more love in real life among young STL metro area families, which is why the county is growing so rapidly. If city-data is correct, the median age in Kirkwood is 43, whereas in O'Fallon, MO it is only 36.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2016, 10:47 PM
 
54 posts, read 69,379 times
Reputation: 44
St. Charles, keep in mind, is both a City and a County.

The city is very old, adjacent to the Missouri, home to a rather large University, lots of buildings that are old enough to actually be historically protected, a GREAT main street that still carries a 19th century air (because it IS from the 19th century), a lively night scene at the North-end of said street (Quintessential has a DJ on weekends), it's own micro-brewer, tons of festivals, a large casino, and a lot more.




http://www.historicstcharles.com/



The county actually covers a LOT of ground and diversity in living options. Lake St. Louis has become a very wealthy area, with homes on lakes, boats, and brand new shopping centers.





http://www.themeadowsatlsl.com/shop/



Cottleville is also fairly expensive in relation to the greater metro-area, and has a lot of new development. O'Fallon largely depends on which side of I-70 you look; a lot of the subdivisions north are from the 70's or 80's and are good candidates for working-class shoppers, but south of the interstate you'll find a lot of newer developments with larger price tags.

There are also areas very, very close to Chesterfield, including some large, older, and expensive subdivisions.

A lot of the schools did very well in this year's state assessment:
Compare your school: A look at the 2016 MAP scores | Education | stltoday.com

A couple of words of caution:

1. Most of the older homes near the city that have not yet been taken over by Lindenwood are pretty low-rent and can attract some undesirable neighbors. Honestly though, the school has bought-out a lot of these lately.

2. Many of the newer apartment developments did not do nearly as well as expected, and offer only rent-controlled housing to people beneath the income thresholds set by the state in exchange for assistance.

3. There are still a fairly large number of trailer home communities. One or two are actually surprisingly nice areas, but the rest ... well, they are about what you would expect.


I lived in the area for quite awhile, and am familiar with a LOT of it. Let me know if you have specific questions.

Last edited by Someboyelse; 12-06-2016 at 11:00 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2016, 07:21 AM
 
4,873 posts, read 3,599,236 times
Reputation: 3881
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1grin_g0 View Post
Thanks for the link. It is nice to see the Lindbergh district doing so well.

To get back on topic, I'm not sure why St. Charles County doesn't get as much love on this forum. It certainly gets more love in real life among young STL metro area families, which is why the county is growing so rapidly. If city-data is correct, the median age in Kirkwood is 43, whereas in O'Fallon, MO it is only 36.
Well sure, 20 years ago nobody lived in O'Fallon, so how many old people could they have?

St. Charles county is cheap, that's the beginning and end of its appeal. The cheapness overcomes the low quality design. People have to live somewhere, even if they don't make six figures, and many of those people want more than 2000 sq ft.

It would be nice if my tax dollars weren't subsidizing it so heavily, though.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2016, 08:23 AM
 
1,400 posts, read 862,995 times
Reputation: 824
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankMiller View Post
Well sure, 20 years ago nobody lived in O'Fallon, so how many old people could they have?

St. Charles county is cheap, that's the beginning and end of its appeal. The cheapness overcomes the low quality design. People have to live somewhere, even if they don't make six figures, and many of those people want more than 2000 sq ft.

It would be nice if my tax dollars weren't subsidizing it so heavily, though.
Actually, St. Charles County has the highest median household income in Missouri, which is 72k per census data.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/b...st-county.html

According to census data, STL County's median household income is about 60k. Most of those young families in St. Charles County could live in St. Louis County if they wanted to, but they obviously prefer not to.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2016, 10:53 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
7,444 posts, read 7,011,224 times
Reputation: 4601
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1grin_g0 View Post
Actually, St. Charles County has the highest median household income in Missouri, which is 72k per census data.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/b...st-county.html

According to census data, STL County's median household income is about 60k. Most of those young families in St. Charles County could live in St. Louis County if they wanted to, but they obviously prefer not to.
I've got no problem with St. Charles County, but that stat is a little misleading because you have very poor areas of North County and a few other spots bringing down the median income of St. Louis county as a whole. The housing is still less expensive in St. Charles County compared with the more sought after areas of St. Louis County.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2016, 02:17 PM
 
1,400 posts, read 862,995 times
Reputation: 824
Quote:
Originally Posted by MUTGR View Post
I've got no problem with St. Charles County, but that stat is a little misleading because you have very poor areas of North County and a few other spots bringing down the median income of St. Louis county as a whole. The housing is still less expensive in St. Charles County compared with the more sought after areas of St. Louis County.
I agree that there are some very poor areas in STL County that will bring down the median income, but there are also some very wealthy areas (Chesterfield, Ladue & Clayton) that balance it out. Also, there are some rural areas that bring down the median income for St. Charles County. Median incomes don't tell the whole story obviously, but I would hesitate to call it misleading. The poster that I was replying to was implying that area residents are choosing St Charles County because they can't afford STL County, but that assertion is mostly false.

As far as housing goes, the median home value in St. Charles County is higher than STL County. Some of the difference could be attributed to the fact that the newer homes in St. Charles County have more square footage.

Saint Charles County MO Home Prices & Home Values | Zillow

Saint Louis County MO Home Prices & Home Values | Zillow

I'm not suggesting that a young family making 70k can afford Ladue, LOL!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2016, 06:23 PM
 
4,873 posts, read 3,599,236 times
Reputation: 3881
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1grin_g0 View Post
I agree that there are some very poor areas in STL County that will bring down the median income, but there are also some very wealthy areas (Chesterfield, Ladue & Clayton) that balance it out. Also, there are some rural areas that bring down the median income for St. Charles County. Median incomes don't tell the whole story obviously, but I would hesitate to call it misleading. The poster that I was replying to was implying that area residents are choosing St Charles County because they can't afford STL County, but that assertion is mostly false.

As far as housing goes, the median home value in St. Charles County is higher than STL County. Some of the difference could be attributed to the fact that the newer homes in St. Charles County have more square footage.

Saint Charles County MO Home Prices & Home Values | Zillow

Saint Louis County MO Home Prices & Home Values | Zillow

I'm not suggesting that a young family making 70k can afford Ladue, LOL!
What I meant more specifically is that families are buying in O'Fallon because they can't afford Chesterfield or Creve Couer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Missouri > St. Louis

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:46 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top