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Old 03-13-2017, 10:20 PM
 
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Please tell me how holding up California as an example of financial ruin compared to Red States isn't absurd.

Not that either party deserves all the blame; California is financially hamstrung by an inability of the legislature to raise taxes, and any kind of divided government basically finishes it off. Missouri has a similar problem with the Hancock amendment; it's basically been designed to grind itself into the ground financially. Of course, in MO it's easy to blame Republicans for that fact.
Yet Commiefornia is more worried about trying to become a sanctuary state, and worried about passing more gun control. They just passed even stricter gun laws. Waste more time on crap like that when they already have the strictest laws in the nation.

I was talking to a guy at work tonight from New York State and he lived in California for a couple years and he said the states is seriously missed up with the liberals there and hated living in California.

I'm not talking about the entire state of Missouri, I'm talking about St. Louis and their city government that is totally inept from the mayor, police chief on down.
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Old 03-13-2017, 10:22 PM
 
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Just look at the Conservative controlled Mississippi, Arkansas and just look at Missouri. California is much better off then us as a state.
California also is a major tourist hub, lots of wealth, tech companies, Hollyweird, etc. The state overall is plain broke. Mississippi and Arkansas and Missouri, while not states with a lot of built up wealth, they're still doing better financially that California.

California though has a lot of people living poor. When people think if California they see Beverly Hills, Hollywood, San Fran and the wealthy areas.
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Old 03-14-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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California is doing much better financially than Missouri. Missouri is slashing funding for everything from schools to maintenance just to stay afloat.

Edit: I understand that you view everything through the lens of gun control, and MO has fewer gun restrictions therefore is doing better financially.
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Old 03-14-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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California is doing much better financially than Missouri. Missouri is slashing funding for everything from schools to maintenance just to stay afloat.

Missouri has a AAA bond rating while California is AA-. Illinois is the lowest at BBB.
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Old 03-14-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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Default Messenger points to development proposal in the Hill and suggests the political divide in the City is

more between young and old than black and white:

Messenger: A development, the Hill and changing voting patterns point to a new St. Louis | Tony Messenger | stltoday.com

I don't know if he is correct or not. I do believe this article makes a good point about what the city needs if it is going to start growing again:

Young families:

"The city is attractive to millennials in part because of the charm of its older neighborhoods and architecture, but it needs an influx of population — specifically young families — if businesses are going to locate here and grow the economy."

Also from today's post but it seems relevant to the discussion:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...d089505b6.html

I realize there is a low income component to this development, but it still sounds like gentrification is the plan for these parts of St. Louis City.

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Old 03-14-2017, 02:32 PM
 
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Missouri has a AAA bond rating while California is AA-. Illinois is the lowest at BBB.
Sure, if Missouri is willing to happily slash public spending to maintain bond payments then debt-holders have no reason to downgrade it in the short-term. I dunno if that really means the state is financially well-off.
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:59 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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California ran a multibillion dollar budget surplus last year, and its economy became larger than France's last year as well. If California were a country, it would have the sixth largest economy in the world. It's not a good example of a failed state. At all.
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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Overall, Missouri is in mediocre financial and economic shape. Incomes are low, population is stagnant, and there is little investment in education or infrastructure. The state is like the poor yokel who manages to pay his bills, but lives in a trailer and eats rice & beans.
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:03 PM
 
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California is doing much better financially than Missouri. Missouri is slashing funding for everything from schools to maintenance just to stay afloat.

Edit: I understand that you view everything through the lens of gun control, and MO has fewer gun restrictions therefore is doing better financially.
At least MO is affordable. People can't even make it on 150k a year in San Fran. Not to mention LA and the horrid traffic.

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters - Breitbart
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:28 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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At least MO is affordable. People can't even make it on 150k a year in San Fran. Not to mention LA and the horrid traffic.

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters - Breitbart
You're cherry-picking, but it's quite fitting for this conversation: comparing Missouri to the most-expensive city in America. People aspire to compete in places like Silicon Valley.

Missouri? Not so much.

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