St. Louis to remove Confederate monument (Republic, Imperial: yard, office, rank)

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

No they're not. Crime is not caused by racial discrimination. Neither are poor schools. Neither is homelessness.

In fact, you've hit on the issue inadvertently: blaming these issues on racial discrimination is a diversion from dealing with the problems, similar to making a stink about the confederate memorial.

Personally, I've lived in the St. Louis area my entire life and I've determined I've never laid eyes on the damn thing. Take it down.

Then deal with the real issues.

We're never going to fix any of these issues as long as people have their heads in the sand about racial discrimination. If you're not willing to address the root issues then the symptoms are going to persist indefinitely. Blow all the money you want on charter schools and extra police, you aren't going to get anywhere. Throwing out the confederate memorial will honestly do more to combat crime than anything else the city is actually willing to do.

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

Throwing out the confederate memorial will honestly do more to combat crime than anything else the city is actually willing to do.

Do it. It won't do a damn thing about crime:

Family says 7-year-old victim in quadruple shooting Thursday has died | Law and order | stltoday.com

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

Do it. It won't do a damn thing about crime:

Family says 7-year-old victim in quadruple shooting Thursday has died | Law and order | stltoday.com

Thank you for reminding us all of the results of a couple hundred years of institutional racism. Maybe we should try something different, like a nation that recognizes the value of all people.

[1grin_g0]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

Thank you for reminding us all of the results of a couple hundred years of institutional racism. Maybe we should try something different, like a nation that recognizes the value of all people.

Institutional racism? I'm sorry, but that sounds like a phrase from the 1950s. What exactly are you referring to? Are you admitting that the democratic party has failed the black community? Or are you saying that our laws are racist because blacks are more likely to end up in prison?

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

Thank you for reminding us all of the results of a couple hundred years of institutional racism. Maybe we should try something different, like a nation that recognizes the value of all people.

You actually need to try something different: stop blaming 200 years on 7 year olds getting shot today in North St. Louis.

What General Robert E. Lee or some 18 year old from Missouri who fought for the south thought in 1860 isn't relevant. Not in the least. Few even remember today.

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

Institutional racism? I'm sorry, but that sounds like a phrase from the 1950s. What exactly are you referring to? Are you admitting that the democratic party has failed the black community? Or are you saying that our laws are racist because blacks are more likely to end up in prison?

Both parties have failed the black community, although Republicans are obviously 10x worse. And yes, blacks are more likely to end up in prison due to our racist laws.

I mean, arguing out this whole line of thought is probably beyond the scope of this forum, but here's some links for anyone who actually cares.

Police brutality and race article with lots of links to studies and the like
Death penalty - no deterrent effect
Study - black men face discrimination in hiring
Study - ligher skinned black people received lesser jail sentences
Innocents convicted: an empirically justified factual wrongful conviction rate | Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology
Black fathers are at least as involved with their children's lives as white fathers
Al Sharpton and other black leaders march to protest black-on-black crime.

[1grin_g0]

Both parties have failed the black community, although Republicans are obviously 10x worse. And yes, blacks are more likely to end up in prison due to our racist laws.

I mean, arguing out this whole line of thought is probably beyond the scope of this forum, but here's some links for anyone who actually cares.

What specific laws are you claiming that are racist? How do you come to the conclusion that republicans are 10x more at fault when democrats have controlled Congress much more over the years? Wasn't it Clinton that was really tough on crime and drugs? Didn't the liberal state of California institute the 3 strikes and you're out law?

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

Both parties have failed the black community, although Republicans are obviously 10x worse. And yes, blacks are more likely to end up in prison due to our racist laws.

I mean, arguing out this whole line of thought is probably beyond the scope of this forum, but here's some links for anyone who actually cares.

Police brutality and race article with lots of links to studies and the like
Death penalty - no deterrent effect
Study - black men face discrimination in hiring
Study - ligher skinned black people received lesser jail sentences
Innocents convicted: an empirically justified factual wrongful conviction rate | Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology
Black fathers are at least as involved with their children's lives as white fathers
Al Sharpton and other black leaders march to protest black-on-black crime.

How is murder a racist law?

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

What specific laws are you claiming that are racist? How do you come to the conclusion that republicans are 10x more at fault when democrats have controlled Congress much more over the years? Wasn't it Clinton that was really tough on crime and drugs? Didn't the liberal state of California institute the 3 strikes and you're out law?

Point of fact: California enacted 3 strikes with a Republican governor, and Liberal California Voters forced reform via ballot initiative a few years ago. But yes, Clinton definitely deserves some blame for going along with the Republican congress on crime crap. Nevertheless, what rock would you live under to have any notion that Republicans are the ones pushing back against Democrats for being too tough on crime? I'm not going to claim that every Democrat is a perfect angel, but almost every politician who gives a hoot about black people is a Democrat, and more recently the Democrats are beginning to be more vocal about eschewing conservative Third Way politics and embracing human rights.

Originally Posted by MUTGR

How is murder a racist law?

"Murder" isn't a racist law, but the way it is sentenced can be.

[1grin_g0]

Point of fact: California enacted 3 strikes with a Republican governor, and Liberal California Voters forced reform via ballot initiative a few years ago.

"Californian republican" is oxymoronic.

But yes, Clinton definitely deserves some blame for going along with the Republican congress on crime crap.

Going along? More like leading the pack.




You claim that our laws are racist, but you did not provide any specific examples. Regardless, according to science, there is no such thing as race.

There Is No Such Thing as Race

How can a law be racist if race does not exist? Are you arguing that blacks are genetically more prone to committing certain crimes? If that is your argument, then you are at odds with science.


Also, the majority of blacks live in urban areas, which are under local democratic control. How can you blame republicans when blacks are primarily arrested for crimes in the city? Democrats control those city governments, not republicans. The rural white voter in Imperial, MO can't be blamed when a black male is arrested in STL City by local law enforcement officers, and later sentenced by an STL County judge. How is it the fault of republicans that the criminal justice systems in metropolitan areas (largely dominated by democrats) are according to you, racist?