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Old 06-09-2017, 11:30 AM
 
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Yes, that's exactly my point. Black focused institutions, scholarships, etc. exist because they're necessary to address the disadvantages blacks have in our society, they're not evidence that blacks are especially catered to.
I missed the sarcasm part. With so much tension flaring up on CD, it's hard to tell.
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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I missed the sarcasm part. With so much tension flaring up on CD, it's hard to tell.
I thought there was no way "blacks were coddled in the antebellum south" could be taken as anything but sarcasm, but such are the times we live in I suppose.
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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I guess I just don't understand what point you were trying to make. Regardless, there are various time limits for SNAP benefits so you usually can't feed yourself for a lifetime regardless of your application proficiency.
It doesn't matter how many social welfare programs you offer, at some point people have to take some initiative and put forth some effort. Otherwise, you create a huge group of people who have an entitled attitude and don't contribute to society. What have you actually accomplished if at the end of the day all you have done is create a longer line at the welfare office.

You keep blaming the right wing and republicans for the institutional racism that you claim exists, yet city governments are not under republican control. If institutional racism exist in inner cities, then you can blame democrats and their failed policies. You keep blaming republicans because blacks get tougher prison sentences, yet rural white voters are not the ones who are electing the judges that serve in metropolitan areas.


So let me ask you a very straightforward question. Who is at fault for the institutional racism that you claim exists in the criminal justice system in STL at the city and county levels? In other words, how are republicans responsible for the institutional racism that you claim exists in deep blue democratic areas? Keep in mind that only 39% of the STL county voted for Trump, much less in the city.

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Old 06-09-2017, 12:59 PM
 
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I thought there was no way "blacks were coddled in the antebellum south" could be taken as anything but sarcasm, but such are the times we live in I suppose.
It's the internet too. If we were face to face with each other, I would have likely picked up on it faster.
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Old 06-09-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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It doesn't matter how many social welfare programs you offer, at some point people have to take some initiative and put forth some effort. Otherwise, you create a huge group of people who have an entitled attitude and don't contribute to society. What have you actually accomplished if at the end of the day all you have done is create a longer line at the welfare office.

You keep blaming the right wing and republicans for the institutional racism that you claim exists, yet city governments are not under republican control. If institutional racism exist in inner cities, then you can blame democrats and their failed policies. You keep blaming republicans because blacks get tougher prison sentences, yet rural white voters are not the ones who are electing the judges that serve in metropolitan areas.

So let me ask you a very straightforward question. Who is at fault for the institutional racism that you claim exists in the criminal justice system in STL at the city and county levels? In other words, how are republicans responsible for the institutional racism that you claim exists in deep blue democratic areas? Keep in mind that only 39% of the STL county voted for Trump, much less in the city.
Are you aware that state and federal prisons and court systems exist?

And are you aware the Republicans, not Democrats, are the ones spreading nonsensical racist screeds like
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It doesn't matter how many social welfare programs you offer, at some point people have to take some initiative and put forth some effort.
that I just demonstrated the absurdity of a few posts ago?

What racist policies are Democrats pursuing, that are comparable to Republican welfare limitations, prison industry handouts, biased sentencing programs, attacks on anti-discrimination laws, etc? You're gesticulating wildly in the direction of nothing.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:26 PM
 
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It doesn't matter how many social welfare programs you offer, at some point people have to take some initiative and put forth some effort. Otherwise, you create a huge group of people who have an entitled attitude and don't contribute to society. What have you actually accomplished if at the end of the day all you have done is create a longer line at the welfare office.

You keep blaming the right wing and republicans for the institutional racism that you claim exists, yet city governments are not under republican control. If institutional racism exist in inner cities, then you can blame democrats and their failed policies. You keep blaming republicans because blacks get tougher prison sentences, yet rural white voters are not the ones who are electing the judges that serve in metropolitan areas.


So let me ask you a very straightforward question. Who is at fault for the institutional racism that you claim exists in the criminal justice system in STL at the city and county levels? In other words, how are republicans responsible for the institutional racism that you claim exists in deep blue democratic areas? Keep in mind that only 39% of the STL county voted for Trump, much less in the city.
I'm as far to the right as the come but race plays a role too in stl county regarding elections. A lot of those Hillary votes came from north county and the inner places of Stl county near the city where minorities make up most of the population and then some of the areas around Webster Groves, Wash U near Clayton, Ladue. Most of suburban St. Louis county votes Republican now and controls a lot of seats in the MO house now.

If you took away the parts of North County and urban stl county near the city, Stl county would tilt to the Republicans.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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Are you aware that state and federal prisons and court systems exist?
Sure lets blame the state and federal courts, anything that will shift focus from the heart of the issue. You are aware that your typical street thug (robbery, burglary, rape, murder, etc.) either goes to the St. Louis County Court Building in Clayton or the St. Louis Circuit Court (city) right?

So who is responsible for your institutional racism in the two courts above? Who is responsible for your racism at the STL City PD and the STL County Sheriff's Office? You don't have to answer, I know you blame white rural voters throughout the state and the people that decided to relocate to Jefferson County and St. Charles County.
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:17 PM
 
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Sure lets blame the state and federal courts, anything that will shift focus from the heart of the issue. You are aware that your typical street thug (robbery, burglary, rape, murder, etc.) either goes to the St. Louis County Court Building in Clayton or the St. Louis Circuit Court (city) right?

So who is responsible for your institutional racism in the two courts above? Who is responsible for your racism at the STL City PD and the STL County Sheriff's Office? You don't have to answer, I know you blame white rural voters throughout the state and the people that decided to relocate to Jefferson County and St. Charles County.
Please describe the racist things you believe the Democrats are doing, if you're going to insist on your false equivalence.
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:19 PM
 
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I'm as far to the right as the come but race plays a role too in stl county regarding elections. A lot of those Hillary votes came from north county and the inner places of Stl county near the city where minorities make up most of the population and then some of the areas around Webster Groves, Wash U near Clayton, Ladue. Most of suburban St. Louis county votes Republican now and controls a lot of seats in the MO house now.

If you took away the parts of North County and urban stl county near the city, Stl county would tilt to the Republicans.
From what I see, the dems have 19 seats in the county and the repubs have only 9. Trump only received 39% in STL County. In the city the dems have all the seats. It's clearly the democrats' mess.
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:31 PM
 
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Please describe the racist things you believe the Democrats are doing, if you're going to insist on your false equivalence.
You are the one claiming that STL is filled with institutional racism! I'm merely letting you know that if what you say is true, then you have nobody to blame but the democrats that are running the place.
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