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Old 06-10-2017, 10:25 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Well, this thread is not the time to bring up crime. There are other threads for this. This is not one of them. St. Louis' crime issues have nothing to do with a Confederate issues. Both are to be discussed separately because neither two are related to each other. You don't discuss baseball in a soccer thread.
Sorry it is the time. Crime and poor schools are the 2 main things to tackle in St. Louis. They are the two main things to fix. If you would rather talk about something else, that's fine, but we will still focus conversation on what is important.
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Old 06-11-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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So the Confederacy must be stamped out, but the democratic party should remain. Got it.

http://blackhistory.harpweek.com/7Il...iteMansGov.htm
2008 called, it wants your debunked right-wing meme back.

The racist "Dixiecrats" went to the Republican party when Nixon courted them in 1964, due to the Democrats passing the Civil Rights Act. For a personal embodiment of this movement, see Strom Thurmond.
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Old 06-11-2017, 11:44 AM
 
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Sorry it is the time. Crime and poor schools are the 2 main things to tackle in St. Louis. They are the two main things to fix. If you would rather talk about something else, that's fine, but we will still focus conversation on what is important.
No it is not the time because this thread has nothing to do with that.

So what if I don't live there. This is a national problem, therefore, my problem too. I never once said crime and bad schools weren't issues in St. Louis. I've mentioned it, ON OTHER THREADS, not here. It is only brought up to deflect from the topic.
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Old 06-11-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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2008 called, it wants your debunked right-wing meme back.

The racist "Dixiecrats" went to the Republican party when Nixon courted them in 1964, due to the Democrats passing the Civil Rights Act. For a personal embodiment of this movement, see Strom Thurmond.
The KKK, Confederacy, and the Democratic party are inextricably linked in history forever, and together are responsible for more damage and division than any inanimate Civil War monument could ever cause.


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The Kennedys were phonies then, and their progeny are phonies now. And so are the many wannabes in the Democrat Party who try so hard–way too hard–to be the new Kennedys. And they continue to manipulate America’s Blacks today as the Kennedys did in yesteryear. Yesterday, the currency of pimping and manipulating American Blacks was civil rights. Today, that currency is ObamaPhones, ObamaCare, and the entitlement state.

And, like the Kennedys did back then, they continue to laugh at the Blacks all the way to the bank . . . and the Senate and the White House.
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Old 06-11-2017, 12:43 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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[quote=green_mariner;48467388It is only brought up to deflect from the topic.[/QUOTE] It is actually brought up to point out how ridiculous the topic is in the first place.
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Old 06-11-2017, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Sorry it is the time. Crime and poor schools are the 2 main things to tackle in St. Louis. They are the two main things to fix. If you would rather talk about something else, that's fine, but we will still focus conversation on what is important.
The title of the thread is "St. Louis to remove Confederate monument". Therefore it should not surprise or offend you or anyone else if people specifically discuss that issue. Sorry if you disagree.

If you would rather talk about something else, that's fine, but it is perfectly appropriate for people to discuss the thread topic. Feel free to create threads about crime and schools whenever you please.

Fwiw, if the crime rate suddenly dropped and schools improved, people opposing the removal of the Confederate monument would quickly think of another excuse/deflection. I am glad they are being removed. It is not a good idea IMO to honor traitors with monuments, especially in the year 2017. It would be an embarrassment for any city not to remove them IMO, especially after a few cities in the South have done so.

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Old 06-11-2017, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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It is actually brought up to point out how ridiculous the topic is in the first place.
Ridiculous to discuss the thread topic directly? Guess that offends a few people. I am not one of them. Think I will discuss Thanksgiving the next time I see a 4th of July thread.
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Old 06-11-2017, 01:46 PM
 
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The KKK, Confederacy, and the Democratic party are inextricably linked in history forever, and together are responsible for more damage and division than any inanimate Civil War monument could ever cause.
But history is different from the present.
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I guess this makes sense, if you think giving someone a phone and hanging them from a tree are equivalent. But then the free phone thing originated under Reagan, a Republican, so the logic falls apart anyway.
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Old 06-11-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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But history is different from the present.

I guess this makes sense, if you think giving someone a phone and hanging them from a tree are equivalent. But then the free phone thing originated under Reagan, a Republican, so the logic falls apart anyway.
Yep. After the DNC, there was a split among the Democrats. After 1948, the pro-integration Democrats stuck around. The segregationists became Dixiecrats. After segregation ended, the Dixiecrats found open arms among the Republicans.

Comparing charity to hanging someone shows they are grasping at straws. It is the individual's choice to use such charity as a hand up as it was meant to be used for. Truth is, some of these persons claiming "the Democrats are bad for Blacks" are not looking out for Blacks. Said persons are looking out for themselves. They feel like "get Blacks to vote Republican and we will get the candidate we want".
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Old 06-11-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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The title of the thread is "St. Louis to remove Confederate monument". Therefore it should not surprise or offend you or anyone else if people specifically discuss that issue. Sorry if you disagree.

If you would rather talk about something else, that's fine, but it is perfectly appropriate for people to discuss the thread topic. Feel free to create threads about crime and schools whenever you please.

Fwiw, if the crime rate suddenly dropped and schools improved, people opposing the removal of the Confederate monument would quickly think of another excuse/deflection. I am glad they are being removed. It is not a good idea IMO to honor traitors with monuments, especially in the year 2017. It would be an embarrassment for any city not to remove them IMO, especially after a few cities in the South have done so.
Said person doesn't want to discuss it, or better yet, the results are not to said person's liking. Those Confederates are traitors and fought for a cause dedicated to keeping slavery. Those Confederates should have never gotten any honor in the first place. They got off easy.
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