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Old 06-11-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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Yep. After the DNC, there was a split among the Democrats. After 1948, the pro-integration Democrats stuck around. The segregationists became Dixiecrats. After segregation ended, the Dixiecrats found open arms among the Republicans.

Comparing charity to hanging someone shows they are grasping at straws. It is the individual's choice to use such charity as a hand up as it was meant to be used for. Truth is, some of these persons claiming "the Democrats are bad for Blacks" are not looking out for Blacks. Said persons are looking out for themselves. They feel like "get Blacks to vote Republican and we will get the candidate we want".
JFK was weak on civil rights and voted against Eisenhower's (republican) Civil Rights Act of 1957. When JFK ran for POTUS in 1960, he needed the Black vote so he flip-flopped on civil rights issues. He was just another politician and was certainly not a civil rights hero. Democrats like to pretend that they are the real civil rights champions, it helps cover up their racist roots.
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Old 06-11-2017, 02:48 PM
 
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JFK was weak on civil rights and voted against Eisenhower's (republican) Civil Rights Act of 1957. When JFK ran for POTUS in 1960, he needed the Black vote so he flip-flopped on civil rights issues. He was just another politician and was certainly not a civil rights hero. Democrats like to pretend that they are the real civil rights champions, it helps cover up their racist roots.
This issue should not be about Democrats vs. Republicans IMO. Believe that most Americans, regardless of party, are decent people and want monuments to traitors that defended slavery to be removed.
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:19 PM
 
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This issue should not be about Democrats vs. Republicans IMO. Believe that most Americans, regardless of party, are decent people and want monuments to traitors that defended slavery to be removed.
I respect your opinion, but as others have stated, it's a slippery slope. The same people that are behind this movement will next want to burn down the White House because past Presidents owned slaves. Then they'll move on to the Lincoln Monument because ole Abe massacred the Native Americans. Personally, I view the monument in question as a memorial to fallen soldiers, not one that honors the Confederate cause.
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:24 PM
 
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This issue should not be about Democrats vs. Republicans IMO. Believe that most Americans, regardless of party, are decent people and want monuments to traitors that defended slavery to be removed.
Majority of Louisianans oppose removing Confederate statues - CBS News

2016

A majority of people in Louisiana oppose taking down Confederate monuments, a Louisiana State University poll has found. .....

Seventy-three percent of respondents said they opposed removing the Confederate memorials. The poll found 88 percent of whites opposed removal, while 47 percent of blacks also opposed removal. Results varied by political party, CBS affiliate WWL reported. Ninety-two percent of Republicans oppose removing Confederate monuments compared with 54 percent of Democrats.

In Southwest Louisiana, a majority said they oppose removing Confederate statues. In every region of the state except New Orleans, more than 72 percent of respondents said Confederate monuments should not be removed, WWL reported.

A different poll, released earlier this month by the University of New Orleans, looked only at New Orleans residents and found about half in favor of removal.
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:56 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Ridiculous to discuss the thread topic directly? Guess that offends a few people. I am not one of them. Think I will discuss Thanksgiving the next time I see a 4th of July thread.
Yes, the topic and the faux issue a ridiculous political pandering, nothing more. Thanks for your interest.
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:50 PM
 
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This drives to the question of the legitimacy of citizenship for the Africans that were transported cargo-style to America. Of course, these African-derived people did have the opportunity to liberate themselves, as you say, by leaving America and repatriating to the African continent. That option exists today too. This gets back to the moral question of forcing the integration of African people onto European people and their nations.
Keep in mind that most white people in the country descend from those that came after the Civil War, while most black people in the country largely descend from people that came before the Civil War. So, the question should possibily be couched in terms of preferential immigration and employment/wealth building for those of European descent, when you had able bodied people of African descent already present in the country. Sounds like modern day concerns in regards to immigration, but in this day and age, said group that has concerns can voice those concerns versus the situation in the past.

This doesn't even get into other people that were present upon this land's "discovery". So, maybe it is a matter of reaping and sowing or Revelation 10:13. We'll see......
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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Majority of Louisianans oppose removing Confederate statues - CBS News

2016

A majority of people in Louisiana oppose taking down Confederate monuments, a Louisiana State University poll has found. .....

Seventy-three percent of respondents said they opposed removing the Confederate memorials. The poll found 88 percent of whites opposed removal, while 47 percent of blacks also opposed removal. Results varied by political party, CBS affiliate WWL reported. Ninety-two percent of Republicans oppose removing Confederate monuments compared with 54 percent of Democrats.

In Southwest Louisiana, a majority said they oppose removing Confederate statues. In every region of the state except New Orleans, more than 72 percent of respondents said Confederate monuments should not be removed, WWL reported.

A different poll, released earlier this month by the University of New Orleans, looked only at New Orleans residents and found about half in favor of removal.
Well, when broken down by race, the results look different. Blacks are far less likely to oppose the removal of Confederate statues. Ever thought about why that is?
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:56 PM
 
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JFK was weak on civil rights and voted against Eisenhower's (republican) Civil Rights Act of 1957. When JFK ran for POTUS in 1960, he needed the Black vote so he flip-flopped on civil rights issues. He was just another politician and was certainly not a civil rights hero. Democrats like to pretend that they are the real civil rights champions, it helps cover up their racist roots.
JFK did alot better than Republican politicians from 1960 onward. After Eisenhower, I don't see any Republican presidential candidate during the 60s who supported Civil Rights.
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Old 06-11-2017, 05:20 PM
 
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White supremacists have been the worst part of the country since it was created, it's worth talking about stamping it out.
Actually, thank God for White supremacists. If not for them, we'd all be living in a thatched hut and eating grubs for dinner.
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Old 06-11-2017, 05:37 PM
 
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It's not obvious to a casual observer, but most Confederate memorials were not erected just after the war. Many of them came to be as part of the Lost Cause white supremacist movement in the later 19th century, which was aimed at justifying racist Jim Crow laws. This is also when you see the modern Confederate battle flag come into prominence, which was previously somewhat obscure, but was popularized by the KKK.
If it wasn't for One Term Bob, the Battle Flags would still be flying at the historic sites. I also blame the politicians in Jeff City for never passing a bill like they promise every year to get the flags restored.
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