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Old 05-28-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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Apes.
Real apes?
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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Real apes?
There are people to this day who assert that they're apes, or closer to apes than to humans, to varying degrees. It was much more common fifty years ago, to say nothing of 150 years ago. It wasn't uncommon to describe negros in ape-like terms, or assert interbreeding with apes. See H.P. Lovecraft as one example of this sort of writing.

Heck, look in the comments section of stltoday.com and you still find references to black criminals as feral or animalistic.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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There are people to this day who assert that they're apes, or closer to apes than to humans, to varying degrees.
I see what you're getting at. There is a Jewish saying in reference to Africans, "100 years from the jungle. 100 years from civilization."
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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It's strange to me that you are still angry over a war fought 150 plus years ago between Americans when the people most directly involved in that war were willing to accept peace with dignity and move on. And that has been the USA's approach since, whether it was our treatment of Japan after their surrender, our treatment of Germany, our rebuilding of Japan and Europe etc.

Very strange to suddenly be offended by Civil War monuments. Politically I suppose it's easier to direct anger at 100 plus year old monuments than dealing with current issues of crime, failing schools, rampant homelessness, declining population, etc.

Case in point. Very sad story. The city has much bigger problems than a Civil War monument dedicated to fallen soldiers.



3 adults killed, 7-year-old girl injured in St. Louis shooting | Law and order | stltoday.com
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Old 06-03-2017, 01:22 AM
 
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Case in point. Very sad story. The city has much bigger problems than a Civil War monument dedicated to fallen soldiers.



3 adults killed, 7-year-old girl injured in St. Louis shooting | Law and order | stltoday.com
Elliott Davis on facebook posted the same thing basically. The same can be said for the one in New Orleans. that city also has a serious crime issue like St. Louis.
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Old 06-03-2017, 11:49 AM
 
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It's basically surrendering the argument to say, "we can't talk about this issue until we deal with all the other issues". If our government can't talk about a statue without shutting down the police force, we have much bigger problems than crime and so on!
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Old 06-03-2017, 12:02 PM
 
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It's basically surrendering the argument to say, "we can't talk about this issue until we deal with all the other issues". If our government can't talk about a statue without shutting down the police force, we have much bigger problems than crime and so on!
That's not what people are saying. People are pointing out its ridiculous to make removing this confederate statute that's been here 100 years a priority, which is what Lyda Krewson has done. It's safe politically, even popular no doubt, but the city doesn't have the money to actually move it. And it will take resources that would better be served elsewhere fighting crime, poverty, homelessness, failing public schools, etc.

But those problems are big and daily issues. Better to distract.
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Old 06-03-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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They're actually all the same issue (racial discrimination).
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Old 06-03-2017, 03:02 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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They're actually all the same issue (racial discrimination).
No they're not. Crime is not caused by racial discrimination. Neither are poor schools. Neither is homelessness.

In fact, you've hit on the issue inadvertently: blaming these issues on racial discrimination is a diversion from dealing with the problems, similar to making a stink about the confederate memorial.

Personally, I've lived in the St. Louis area my entire life and I've determined I've never laid eyes on the damn thing. Take it down.

Then deal with the real issues.
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Old 06-03-2017, 05:34 PM
 
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It's basically surrendering the argument to say, "we can't talk about this issue until we deal with all the other issues". If our government can't talk about a statue without shutting down the police force, we have much bigger problems than crime and so on!
Not exactly. There is a difference between talking about an issue and dedicating resources to it. Time, energy, and dollars wasted on removing the statue are resources that are not spent on fighting crime, improving schools, etc.
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