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Old 11-12-2020, 04:11 PM
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1. No preference, but old would need to be "with character" not a run down fixer upper.
2. Fairly but we've lived with commutes before.
3. Safety, Value, family oriented.

Regarding #1, you will find mostly newer builds (30 years and newer) in Chesterfield. Kirkwood has alot of older homes, and a lot of those homes will have the character you're after. ...except it'll come at a price. I think you'll be about $200k for one of those homes.

Also, keep in mind that the southside of Kirkwood used to be considered the ghetto. That has changed with a plaza development (with Home Depot, Target, Home Goods, etc.) more than 10 years ago. Still, look for homes towards the Northern edge. The neighborhood just north of Kirkwood is wealthy and you want to be as close to that as you can...

#2. Where are you coming from? Traffic in StL is near non-existent. Yes, there's rush hour, and people here will tell you that it can be bad. ...but I moved here from SoCal (with stops in Santa Barbara and Phoenix), and the traffic here is not bad at all. you can pretty much get to any place of interest in 20 mins. Yes... From Chesterfield, it might take you 25 to get to downtown, but just in general... I don't really plan much more than setting aside between 15-20 mins to get to a destination.

So maybe living near freeway access isn't such a big deal here. Kirkwood will be maybe 8-10 mins (my guesstimate) from 270.

#3. The farther west, the safer, in general. Kirkwood is safe, but every now and then I'll flip open the newspaper to find some sort of crime in the area. Safety isn't as bad as the rest of the country makes it here. Crime is really focused in North St.Louis, parts of downtown (north), and South City.

I have a piece additional advice... don't be scared away by what you or your spouse might read this town. More than any major city I can think of, StL gets criticized for crime, low education levels, crappy weather, terrible food, blah blah blah. It's been the best move for me and my family. We came from the west, and we thought it might be too much of a culture shock, but the positive aspects (COL, weather, daily stress, job stress from interacting with locals) have been overwhelming. We plan to stick around for at least the next 10 years...
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Old 11-15-2020, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by roycel View Post
It's been the best move for me and my family. We came from the west, and we thought it might be too much of a culture shock, but the positive aspects (COL, weather, daily stress, job stress from interacting with locals) have been overwhelming. We plan to stick around for at least the next 10 years...
This is the main reason for choosing to stay in St. Louis and take advantage of the low cost of living. Tell me more about the job stress from interacting with the locals in St. Louis. I am considering a part time winter home out west in the next 5 to 10 years. Interacting with people is how I thrive. How does So. Cal. compare to St. Louis in that way.
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Old 11-16-2020, 06:20 PM
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We were looking for similar things when we moved to the St. Louis metro area many years ago (lower housing budget, but then again homes have continually increased in value). We started off by looking around at various neighborhoods (city and suburb) and settled on the Kirkwood/Glendale/Webster area as a target area to see if we could find something we liked in our budget (picked those three cities to look at houses in) and ended up based on house we found that we liked, settled in Glendale (little city right between Kirkwood and Webster with it's own elementary schools and Kirkwood public schools for middle school and high school). I have to say that I think these are nice little cities with a lot of character, historical charm, close in suburbs (easy to get anywhere) and great amenities (schools are considered to be strong and attract many families who want to be in these districts). There are nice parks too. We probably go to Kirkwood park the most, but I've been to a few really nice parks in Webster too. People pay a premium for the communities, but you have a healthy budget, so you might want to look and see if there is anything that appeals to you in these areas in your budget. Both Kirkwood and Webster have cute historical downtowns with Kirkwood's being a little bigger. The median price of a home in these areas is somewhere around $330,000, but that's going to be a fairly small home. I love it that we can get to the zoo in 20 minutes and that when going to the theatre or a concert downtown, we just leave our house an hour before the concert to comfortably park and get seated with time to spare. I work from home full time now and will post COVID 19 too, but whether I worked downtown, way west in Earth City or anywhere in between, commute is not bad at all. With DH retired now and me working from home we could live anywhere we want and looked around the country a bit to places like Denver, Colorado Springs, etc. around vacations (used to live in Denver), but the more we looked the more we realized how much we have here (really nice place to live for a very reasonable cost of living) and how settled in we feel here and decided to stay put.

Some people I know who had starter homes in Kirkwood, Gendale, Webster who needed a larger home (four or five bedrooms), but had slim picking in their budget in these cities ended up buying a home in a community called Frontenac that borders Kirkwood. There is not a downtown that I know of there, but it is really close to Kirkwood's downtown.

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Old 11-17-2020, 11:41 PM
Location: St. Louis
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Thanks, I'm not that extreme I just want to stay away from the "defund the police" crew a bit. Diversity is fine, watching my taxes fund some grad's socialist utopian experiment is not.

For example Dallas versus Portland.
I live in Kirkwood and have most of my life. Kirkwood has actually trended pretty blue politically in recent decades but people generally aren't in your face about it. It's more noticeable in election years, especially like this one.

My Trump sign actually lasted more than 24 hours in my front yard, which was longer than I would have guessed. But my house wasn't vandalized, so there's that. St. Louis County itself is trending quite liberal, so if that is a concern look into it.

But enough about politics.

It's a pretty good place to live and convenient to most of the area. Good schools, people take pride in the community, nice downtown with shops and restaurants that are busy in good weather and generally during non-pandemic times. It is pricey. THe older smaller homes have been getting knocked down for newer, bigger, more expensive homes. So while it used to be a place with blue collar folks, that's becoming less the case.
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