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Old 10-12-2021, 03:39 PM
Location: DFW Metroplex, Texas
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Originally Posted by RisingAurvandil View Post
Yes, you are correct. The Grove is along Manchester Ave, between Kingshighway and Vendeventer. It is also called Forest Park Southeast. It used to be a run-down area, but has seen significant gentrification in the past decade.

The commute from The Grove to Olivette will be about 25 minutes. West on 40, then north on 170.

Most of the high-crime areas are north of Delmar Ave, or near Dutchtown in South City. Downtown also has some crime issues. Most of the high-crime areas are easy to identify based upon demographics.
Thank you for your information. Based on reading about St. Louis in City Data Forum threads, St. Louis County is relatively safe while high crime areas are usually north of Delmar Ave. into North County and east of Central West End down to Dutchtown before South County starts. Does that sound about right?
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Old 10-12-2021, 04:03 PM
Location: The High Desert
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Originally Posted by Okey Dokie View Post
I wouldn’t count on negotiating a higher salary outside the published range. In government jobs there usually isn’t much leeway.
Agree...I worked in that environment for decades. OP might be able to negotiate within the published range. If in a political appointee spot there might be some negotiation. If there is a union involved there will be an added barrier to going outside any kind of normal salary range. Remember, state employee salaries are public record so one's coworkers know exactly what a person's salary is.
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:03 AM
Location: DFW Metroplex, Texas
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After research, I have narrowed down to a few neighborhoods in St. Louis that captured my attention in no specific order:

Central West End
The Grove
The Hill

I am not sure about popular Lafayette Square, Benton Park, and Tower Grove Park because they seem to be close to high crime areas for comfort.

Please correct me if I am wrong. High crime areas are north of Delmar Blvd. up to North County and east of Central West End down to South City/Bucktown before South County starts, does that sound right?

Outside St. Louis, I also like the following areas: Brentwood; Clayton; Creve Coeur; Kirkwood; Maplewood; Olivette; Richmond Heights; Rock Hill; Shrewsbury; and Webster Groves.
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Old 10-19-2021, 10:37 PM
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Hi, OP! One half of a lesbian married couple here. We’ve lived in University City for the past ten years after living in West County suburbia whilst raising our kids. Once the last kid graduated from high school we skedaddled out of suburbia closer in to the city where all of our friends were living and all of the cultural events we loved took place.

**Regarding “high crime areas north of Delmar” - yes, north of Delmar and *east* of Skinker in the city.
The neighborhoods immediately north of Delmar and west of Westgate: University Park, University Heights, Gannondale, etc., are safe. We lived in a big, beautiful 1929 U City brick house in the University Park neighborhood but just recently downsized to a single floor, first floor condo, also in U City. We were sad to leave our close knit block but we’re not spring chickens anymore and needed to transition to one floor living.

There are some nice rentals on Delmar such as this one:

Or this:

The DeMun neighborhood is just west of Forest Park and is incredibly walkable. Lots of great restaurants, too! Parking can be an issue, though, if the rental property doesn’t include some kind of off street parking:


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Old 10-20-2021, 08:57 PM
Location: St. Louis City
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I live east of Skinker BUT in the central corrdidor - the Gate District (between Chouteau, Jefferson, I-44 and Grand by the SLU hospitals. I am not saying the is no crime here, but being in this area since 2009 - I have had no issues. No break ins, no car theft etc. I am sharing this because I don't agree with a blanket statement that says high crime areas are *EAST* of Skinker.

I am bordered also by amazing neighborhoods: Compton Heights and Lafayette Square and then Soulard. Other areas areas around which are improving are McKinley Heights, Benton Park and Fox Park. Nearby are more future developments on Chouteau that will include Target, Top Golf and more. The central corridor is changing right before our eyes.

Lafayette Avenue has completely transformed since I moved here. There are numerous new beautiful and homes of different types build all around me. I am very centrally located and I can see the Arch from out front. Here is a street view of my neighborhood.

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Old 10-23-2021, 12:16 AM
Location: St. Louis
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I don't agree with the east of Skinker comment either. It's too broad and there are swaths of great neighborhoods east of Skinker. E.g. all of SW City and Forest Park.
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