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The EPA list of shame is full of mostly ultra-expensive vehicles. But the humble Subaru Impreza Sport 5-Door with manual transmission has made the list.
I think it is inevitable that Subaru will discontinue the manual transmission.
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Least Efficient Cars by EPA Size Class (EPA Class Vehicle Combined MPG) Two-Seaters
Bugatti Chiron Pur Sport 8.0 L, 16 cyl, Automatic (AM-S7), Turbo-------9
Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 8.0 L, 16 cyl, Automatic (AM-S7), Turbo-------9
Power from the 8.0-liter, quad-turbocharged W16 comes to a claimed 1,479 horsepower and 1,180 pound-feet of torque. Only 60 Chiron Pur Sports will be made, each with a starting MSRP of $3,599,000
Probably. EyeSight is becoming standard on all models and Subaru doesn't want to spend the money on R&D to combine that with a manual. Nothing has changed there. Better fuel economy and just cost savings not developing cars a manual that doesn't sell anyway.
BRZ is more the interesting question. Most likely that's just the exception to the rule. It won't get EyeSight and they will keep the manual there.
Probably. EyeSight is becoming standard on all models and Subaru doesn't want to spend the money on R&D to combine that with a manual. Nothing has changed there. Better fuel economy and just cost savings not developing cars a manual that doesn't sell anyway.
BRZ is more the interesting question. Most likely that's just the exception to the rule. It won't get EyeSight and they will keep the manual there.
The just released 2022 BRZ gets EyeSight with the CVT (though Subaru just calls it a Sport Automatic) but you are correct that its functionality doesn’t translate to a manual transmission due to the clutch operation so the 6-Speed manual cannot be equipped with it.
The just released 2022 BRZ gets EyeSight with the CVT (though Subaru just calls it a Sport Automatic) but you are correct that its functionality doesn’t translate to a manual transmission due to the clutch operation so the 6-Speed manual cannot be equipped with it.
Manufacturers understand the sports car enthusiasts often prefer manual transmission, so the BRZ and WRX are safe for the forseeable future.
It is the family vehicles like the Impreza and Crosstrek (which I believe are the only non sport-car Subarus with manual transmission left) that are in jeapordy. I don't consider a "sport-trim" to create a sports car. Subaru sells only a tiny percentage as manual transmissions, and it messes with logistics and the CAFE rating.
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Manufacturers understand the sports car enthusiasts often prefer manual transmission, so the BRZ and WRX are safe for the forseeable future.
It is the family vehicles like the Impreza and Crosstrek (which I believe are the only non sport-car Subarus with manual transmission left) that are in jeapordy. I don't consider a "sport-trim" to create a sports car. Subaru sells only a tiny percentage as manual transmissions, and it messes with logistics and the CAFE rating.
I don’t really agree with this. How many sports cars are available with manuals? There is nothing in the Ferrari, Lamborghini, mclaren line ups with sticks. I think these are about as sports car as you can get.
I don’t really agree with this. How many sports cars are available with manuals? There is nothing in the Ferrari, Lamborghini, mclaren line ups with sticks. I think these are about as sports car as you can get.
I guess I don't really know that much about super-cars.
I think this list is reasonably accurate.
Chevrolet Spark
Mitsubishi Mirage
Nissan Versa
Hyundai Accent
. least expensive
Aston Martin Vantage
BMW 2-Series and M2
BMW M3
BMW M4
Chevrolet Camaro
Dodge Challenger
Ford Mustang
Genesis G70
Honda Civic and Civic Type R
Hyundai Veloster and Veloster N
Kia Forte GT
Lotus Evora GT
Mazda 3
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Mini Cooper Hardtop and Clubman
Nissan 370Z
Porsche 718 Boxster / 718 Cayman
Porsche 911
Subaru Impreza / WRX / STI / Crosstrek
Subaru BRZ / Toyota 86
Toyota Corolla
Volkswagen Golf Gti
Volkswagen Jetta Gli
Last edited by PacoMartin; 12-03-2021 at 08:18 PM..
Yeah, the only slight miss I noticed is that the base Kia Forte (known as the FE, IIRC) is also available (2021 MY) with a manual.
Still having a $23K vehicle tied as for the "worst mileage" of a car class is some very unwanted attention. Subaru's cherished standard all wheel drive is going to give them problems if Biden returns to the severe CAFE requirements that Obama established in 2011 and 2012. President Trump suspended the goals and passed the SAFE Vehicles Rule, in March of 2020 whichl resulted in less stringent CAFE improvements through 2026.
Small Station Wagons 25 miles per gallon
Subaru Impreza Sport 5-Door 2.0 L, 4 cyl, Manual 5-spd - (MSRP) of about $22,995
Volvo V60CC T5 AWD 2.0 L, 4 cyl, Automatic (S8), Turbo- (MSRP) of about $45,450
Mercedes-Benz AMG GLA35 4matic 2.0 L, 4 cyl, Automatic (AM8), Turbo -(MSRP) of about $47,550
In general Subarus do not get very good gasoline mileage compared to other Japanese brands
90 2021 Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid AWD 2.0 L, 4 cyl, Automatic (variable gear ratios), Gas and Electricity
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For Immediate Release August 28, 2012
Obama Administration Finalizes Historic 54.5 MPG Fuel Efficiency Standards
Consumer Savings Comparable to Lowering Price of Gasoline by $1 Per Gallon by 2025
WASHINGTON, DC – The Obama Administration today finalized groundbreaking standards that will increase fuel economy to the equivalent of 54.5 mpg for cars and light-duty trucks by Model Year 2025. When combined with previous standards set by this Administration, this move will nearly double the fuel efficiency of those vehicles compared to new vehicles currently on our roads. In total, the Administration’s national program to improve fuel economy and reduce greenhouse gas emissions will save consumers more than $1.7 trillion at the gas pump and reduce U.S. oil consumption by 12 billion barrels.
“These fuel standards represent the single most important step we’ve ever taken to reduce our dependence on foreign oil,” said President Obama. “This historic agreement builds on the progress we’ve already made to save families money at the pump and cut our oil consumption. By the middle of the next decade our cars will get nearly 55 miles per gallon, almost double what they get today. It’ll strengthen our nation's energy security, it's good for middle class families and it will help create an economy built to last.”
The historic standards issued today by the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) build on the success of the Administration’s standards for cars and light trucks for Model Years 2011-2016. Those standards, which raised average fuel efficiency by 2016 to the equivalent of 35.5 mpg, are already saving families money at the pump.
Achieving the new fuel efficiency standards will encourage innovation and investment in advanced technologies that increase our economic competitiveness and support high-quality domestic jobs in the auto industry. The final standards were developed by DOT’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and EPA following extensive engagement with automakers, the United Auto Workers, consumer groups, environmental and energy experts, states, and the public. Last year, 13 major automakers, which together account for more than 90 percent of all vehicles sold in the United States, announced their support for the new standards. By aligning Federal and state requirements and providing manufacturers with long-term regulatory certainty and compliance flexibility, the standards encourage investments in clean, innovative technologies that will benefit families, promote U.S. leadership in the automotive sector, and curb pollution.
“Simply put, this groundbreaking program will result in vehicles that use less gas, travel farther, and provide more efficiency for consumers than ever before—all while protecting the air we breathe and giving automakers the regulatory certainty to build the cars of the future here in America,” said Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. “Today, automakers are seeing their more fuel-efficient vehicles climb in sales, while families already saving money under the Administration’s first fuel economy efforts will save even more in the future, making this announcement a victory for everyone.”
“The fuel efficiency standards the administration finalized today are another example of how we protect the environment and strengthen the economy at the same time,” said EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson. “Innovation and economic growth are already reinvigorating the auto industry and the thousands of businesses that supply automakers as they create and produce the efficient vehicles of tomorrow. Clean, efficient vehicles are also cutting pollution and saving drivers money at the pump."
The Administration’s combined efforts represent the first meaningful update to fuel efficiency standards in decades. Together, they will save American families more than $1.7 trillion dollars in fuel costs, resulting in an average fuel savings of more than $8,000 by 2025 over the lifetime of the vehicle. For families purchasing a model Year 2025 vehicle, the net savings will be comparable to lowering the price of gasoline by approximately $1 per gallon. Additionally, these programs will dramatically reduce our reliance on foreign oil, saving a total of 12 billion barrels of oil and reducing oil consumption by more than 2 million barrels a day by 2025 – as much as half of the oil we import from OPEC each day.
The standards also represent historic progress to reduce carbon pollution and address climate change. Combined, the Administration’s standards will cut greenhouse gas emissions from cars and light trucks in half by 2025, reducing emissions by 6 billion metric tons over the life of the program – more than the total amount of carbon dioxide emitted by the United States in 2010.
President Obama announced the proposed standard in July 2011, joined by Ford, GM, Chrysler, BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar/Land Rover, Kia, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, and Volvo, as well as the United Auto Workers. The State of California and other key stakeholders also supported the announcement and were integral in developing this national program.
In achieving these new standards, EPA and NHTSA expect automakers’ to use a range of efficient and advanced technologies to transform the vehicle fleet. The standards issued today provide for a mid-term evaluation to allow the agencies to review their effectiveness and make any needed adjustments.
Major auto manufacturers are already developing advanced technologies that can significantly reduce fuel use and greenhouse gas emissions beyond the existing model year 2012-2016 standards. In addition, a wide range of technologies are currently available for automakers to meet the new standards, including advanced gasoline engines and transmissions, vehicle weight reduction, lower tire rolling resistance, improvements in aerodynamics, diesel engines, more efficient accessories, and improvements in air conditioning systems. The program also includes targeted incentives to encourage early adoption and introduction into the marketplace of advanced technologies to dramatically improve vehicle performance, including:
Incentives for electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, and fuel cells vehicles;
Incentives for hybrid technologies for large pickups and for other technologies that achieve high fuel economy levels on large pickups;
Incentives for natural gas vehicles;
Credits for technologies with potential to achieve real-world greenhouse gas reductions and fuel economy improvements that are not captured by the standards test procedures.
Last edited by PacoMartin; 12-04-2021 at 05:00 PM..
People who can afford many of those "super cars" could care less about the mileage and any tax on top of it. If I could afford a Rolls Royce, I know I am paying most of those big bucks for a car with exclusivity, not for one that is economical, reliable, and has easy-to-fix brakes. Myself, I feel we need to go back to strict mileage requirements from auto manufacturers. I remember vividly the gas lines of the 70's and know that the only way that power is taken away from the nations who want to use it against us is to decrease our need of them and their product. If automakers won't do it voluntarily, because the "market is demanding big pickups" then I sadly shake my head and know that here yet again we need regulations, since waiting for it to happen otherwise isn't going to be soon..
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