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Old 05-16-2022, 10:29 PM
 
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The author of the article seems to have a surface knowledge of these nutrients he talks about..

vitamin D, especially given the last 2 years is surprising. Many studies showing worse outcomes in covid with low vitamin D. You can check your vitamin D with bloodwork, everyone living above TN in the US is deficient in the later winter months.
https://www.grassrootshealth.net/doc...chart-in-ngml/


Vitamin A is only toxic if you are deficient in vitamin D. Many people poorly convert vitamin A from beta carotene.
COD liver oil is the best way to get real vitamin A.
https://chriskresser.com/9-steps-to-...lement-wisely/


If taking vitamin E, especially if on high dose fish oil, take the full spectrum from jarrow or life extension


DHEA slowly decreases with age(like collagen, NAD+, and many other things), work with a physician(blood work) to keep your estrogen and testosterone levels up by supplementing DHEA
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...a-sulfate-test


Vitamin C is excellent when sick, your white blood cell count rises and they need loads of vitamin C to be effective.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/63111502-post23.html
1000 mgs every 30 min when sick, back off if lose stool. Use a powder designed for taking high doses like this one
https://www.amazon.com/Antioxidant-R.../dp/B002K9N6Y6
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Old 05-17-2022, 12:56 AM
 
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Several different supplement regimens at the bottom of this post

https://www.city-data.com/forum/63112784-post31.html
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Old 05-17-2022, 05:02 PM
 
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The author of the article seems to have a surface knowledge of these nutrients he talks about..

vitamin D, especially given the last 2 years is surprising. Many studies showing worse outcomes in covid with low vitamin D. You can check your vitamin D with bloodwork, everyone living above TN in the US is deficient in the later winter months.
https://www.grassrootshealth.net/doc...chart-in-ngml/


Vitamin A is only toxic if you are deficient in vitamin D. Many people poorly convert vitamin A from beta carotene.
COD liver oil is the best way to get real vitamin A.
https://chriskresser.com/9-steps-to-...lement-wisely/


If taking vitamin E, especially if on high dose fish oil, take the full spectrum from jarrow or life extension


DHEA slowly decreases with age(like collagen, NAD+, and many other things), work with a physician(blood work) to keep your estrogen and testosterone levels up by supplementing DHEA
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...a-sulfate-test


Vitamin C is excellent when sick, your white blood cell count rises and they need loads of vitamin C to be effective.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/63111502-post23.html
1000 mgs every 30 min when sick, back off if lose stool. Use a powder designed for taking high doses like this one
https://www.amazon.com/Antioxidant-R.../dp/B002K9N6Y6
I agree with what you said about vitamin D. I disagree with most of your other recommendations. I've experimented with different supplements for over 50 years. I'm probably taking too many supplements right now. I think a multivitamin with the lowest levels of each vitamin are sufficient. Right now I'm taking a Kirkland Mature Multi. I take extra magnesium. I take supplements like creatine to help with weightlifting. I've tried every supplement that is supposed to help with joints. None have done any good. I've experimented with supplements that are supposed to help with mental acuity, etc. Not sure if any have helped.

I don't agree that Vitamin A is only toxic if you are deficient in vitamin D.

Regarding your comment about DHEA, the Cleveland Clinic source that you cite says:

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Should I take DHEA supplements?
Probably not. Despite the claims, there’s no evidence that over-the-counter DHEA supplements slow the aging process, help build muscle or improve physical performance. But the supplements can cause serious side effects and interfere with prescribed medications.
There is no evidence for taking mass quantities of Vitamin C like you suggest.
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Old 05-17-2022, 09:50 PM
 
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I've tried every supplement that is supposed to help with joints. None have done any good. I've experimented with supplements that are supposed to help with mental acuity, etc. Not sure if any have helped.
-collagen powder to rebuild the joint, curcumin(life extension) + 4gram omega3s + full spectrum e(jarrow or life extension) for inflammation
-low inflammation diet(limit sugar, bread, fried food)

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I don't agree that Vitamin A is only toxic if you are deficient in vitamin D.
Weston Price surveyed many indigenous cultures around the world, one common factor is they all had daily intakes of 30-50k IU vitamin A. Chris Kresser talks about this in the link I provided.

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Regarding your comment about DHEA, the Cleveland Clinic source that you cite says:
Some blood work will show your testosterone goes up, DHEA is the building block.


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There is no evidence for taking mass quantities of Vitamin C like you suggest.
Its what your body wants when sick, you can only absorb large quantities as your white blood cell count rises to fight the infection. When your white cell count comes down, it will produce a flush instead.

From the link
"White blood cells have more insulin pumps than any other type of cell and may contain 20 times the amount of vitamin C as other cells. They also need 50 times more vitamin C inside the cell than in the blood plasma in order to handle the oxidative stress that occurs when they encounter a pathogenic substance""
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Old 05-18-2022, 02:31 PM
 
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-collagen powder to rebuild the joint, curcumin(life extension) + 4gram omega3s + full spectrum e(jarrow or life extension) for inflammation
-low inflammation diet(limit sugar, bread, fried food)


Weston Price surveyed many indigenous cultures around the world, one common factor is they all had daily intakes of 30-50k IU vitamin A. Chris Kresser talks about this in the link I provided.


Some blood work will show your testosterone goes up, DHEA is the building block.



Its what your body wants when sick, you can only absorb large quantities as your white blood cell count rises to fight the infection. When your white cell count comes down, it will produce a flush instead.

From the link
"White blood cells have more insulin pumps than any other type of cell and may contain 20 times the amount of vitamin C as other cells. They also need 50 times more vitamin C inside the cell than in the blood plasma in order to handle the oxidative stress that occurs when they encounter a pathogenic substance""
So females shouldn't take DHEA? They wouldn't want testosterone levels to go up.
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Old 05-18-2022, 02:54 PM
 
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Probably up to 90% of the products that are advertised as 'good for you' are not that good. More that 90% of words written or said about a product is nothing but advertising.

When businesses advertise, they say what they know we want to hear and most people believe those words as pure fact and not as the words a focus group came up with during a session, to increase sales.

Most vitamin supplements cannot be absorbed by our body.

Some vitamin supplements are nothing but fillers.

Almost every nutrient we need can be found in a varied, healthy diet.
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Old 05-18-2022, 08:39 PM
 
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So females shouldn't take DHEA? They wouldn't want testosterone levels to go up.
Its a building block for estrogen as well
https://www.tysonsgynecology.com/dhea-for-women/

"Dehydroepiandrosterone, commonly referred to as DHEA, is a natural steroid made from cholesterol and secreted by adrenal glands. It’s also a precursor for women’s sex hormones, including estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone, and is known as a feel-good hormone.

Additionally, DHEA supplements have been used to treat a variety of ailments including: Muscle loss, weight loss, osteoporosis, depression, and menopause."
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Old 05-18-2022, 09:18 PM
 
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Its a building block for estrogen as well
https://www.tysonsgynecology.com/dhea-for-women/

"Dehydroepiandrosterone, commonly referred to as DHEA, is a natural steroid made from cholesterol and secreted by adrenal glands. It’s also a precursor for women’s sex hormones, including estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone, and is known as a feel-good hormone.

Additionally, DHEA supplements have been used to treat a variety of ailments including: Muscle loss, weight loss, osteoporosis, depression, and menopause."
I would be very careful about using hormones. As a woman, I would never taken estrogen unless under doctor's orders because I can remember the birth control pills with too much estrogen causing cancer.

And, yes, supplements ARE absorbed by the body if they are decent supplements. I have found that drugstore supplements don't work and most seem to be a waste of money. But I've had great results with name brand supplements as long as they are also in an absorbable form. For calcium, I use calcium citrate, not some drug store calcium that is usually calcium carbonate and not well absorbed. When you can find a doctor who knows about nutrition (rare) they will explain this to you.

If anyone wants to know more about collagen and joints, the Retirement forum has discussed that a few times. They have had entire threads about it and most people said it has helped them but they differ on which brands to use. I have had some success with plain old unflavored gelatin.

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/in...o-1051/gelatin

Collagen is one of the materials that make up cartilage, bone, and skin. Taking gelatin might increase the production of collagen in the body.


The article says there's no good evidence but I found that a packet of unflavored jello dissolved in water and then poured into my coffee or tea helped with the slight achiness I had in my wrist. That's not proof but it sure is cheaper than any other method I know of and it did the trick for me.


In addition to improving the elasticity of the skin, gelatin can also strengthen connective tissues. Studies have shown that collagen supplements like gelatin can reduce joint pain. They have also found that it can strengthen joints by increasing the density of the cartilage.


https://www.webmd.com/diet/health-benefits-gelatin#

The amino acids that are generally present in the gelatin are valine, proline, and glycine. It also contains other amino acids like arginine, alanine, and lysine. The human body is unable to produce the very important amino acid, valine. Valine can only be procured through diet.

https://www.sciencetimes.com/article...ino-acids.html

The last article really explains it the best--how people used to eat the cartilage, organs, and the water (probably meaning cooking stew bones), of animals and so they obtained these amino acids that are present in the gelatin that is made from the same. Our modern diet is definitely lacking and that's why supplements can make a difference. Of course you may eat perfectly and not need supplements. You could be older and eat perfectly and probably need to supplement because your body doesn't absorb the nutrients as well as it used to.
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Old 05-21-2022, 01:10 AM
 
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I would be very careful about using hormones. As a woman, I would never taken estrogen unless under doctor's orders because I can remember the birth control pills with too much estrogen causing cancer.
On the minimum side, 2mg starting at age 40 and adding 2 more for each decade after. But I would do the testing, it very possible someone might need much more.

This webpage talks about the testing and his experience with DHEA
https://www.peaktestosterone.com/dhea_dosage-ll/

"Young people produce about 12 to 15 milligrams of DHEA per day, and that amount decreases by about 2 mg. per day for every decade after the age of 30. This is one of the reasons that young people eat more without getting fat, and tolerate cold weather better: DHEA, like the thyroid hormone, increases our heat production and ability to burn calories. At the age of 50, about 4 mg of DHEA per day will usually restore the level of DHEA in the blood to a youthful level. It is important to avoid taking more than needed, since some people (especially if they are deficient in progesterone, pregnenolone, or thyroid) can turn the excess into estrogen or testosterone, and large amounts of those sex hormones can disturb the function of the thymus gland and the liver"
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Old 05-23-2022, 10:12 PM
 
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Anyone that speaks against d3 is part of the Big Pharma Mafia.
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