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Taxing SU is a tough one. They'd be an easy target for sure. OIN is alot tougher, they been trying to tax them for years.
SU is another thing that keeps the money local. Once Albany gets its fingers in the pot its ruined. Property tax would be local but my opinion is that SU privately can make the money go farther then the city could.
What all goes on at the base I can't say. Not much in some ways but traffic is heavy during the day so it must be something. All I'm aware of is some banks and an olive oil company.
All employees of OIN count as Syracuse BTW. So if your gonna consider it Utica remember to subtract those 5K+ jobs from Syracuse Metro stats.
I'm sure that there is plenty of interchange between the two areas in regards to OIN employment.
As for government finding, it is pretty much an epidemic, as many capitalists are looking for the lowest costs and highest profits, even if it means that they move operations out of the country. Hence, the amount of money given to corporations that may move to Southern states. Personally, I'd love to see more small scale manufacturing, technological and research companies in NY in higher numbers.
The first thing to keep in mind is you really can't tax a business. They will just pass the taxes along to the consumer. They aren't just gonna stand there and let themselves be taxed. They will either move or decrease production until they are profitable again.
Often there seems to be a perception that every liberal social pipe dream can come true if we just tax at the right rate. But as you increase the taxes the behavior changes and what was thought to be free money dries up. I know I do it in my personal life and I assume other do as well. Its near the year end and if you look at my year to date you would assume I'm gonna pay a certain amount of taxes. But I'm not retarded so I'm closely watching my income to limit my tax liability. I can earn more money this year but I'm crossing a line where the extra taxes mean I start moving backwards.
Bossiness are the same way. Lets say NY is gonna whack you for an extra grand in taxes per unit over Alabama. In NY you would have to add a grand to the per unit cost. The market will not allow your product to sell at that price. Net taxes to NYS=0. Alabama knocks off the 1K business tax and you build a million units. Alabama's net tax intake through employee income taxes is huge. Plus sales tax and property tax keeps local economies chugging along. All your employees are hungery so little dinners open. They buy new cars so car dealers open. They build new houses and fix old ones= more property taxes. By having low or even "no" taxes your raking in millions.
NY is sticking to the 1950's model of taxing bossiness to death. This was always a stupid idea but it worked as long as they couldn't move. But as soon as they could move they sure did.
Industry is slowly returning to the US. I can put links up to dozens of pieces of great news for the US. But not a single one in NY. And until we break the unions and taxes I never will be able to.
I guess the CNY model is to get a job at the mall and fist pump about how great NY was 60 years ago.
The first thing to keep in mind is you really can't tax a business. They will just pass the taxes along to the consumer. They aren't just gonna stand there and let themselves be taxed. They will either move or decrease production until they are profitable again.
Often there seems to be a perception that every liberal social pipe dream can come true if we just tax at the right rate. But as you increase the taxes the behavior changes and what was thought to be free money dries up. I know I do it in my personal life and I assume other do as well. Its near the year end and if you look at my year to date you would assume I'm gonna pay a certain amount of taxes. But I'm not retarded so I'm closely watching my income to limit my tax liability. I can earn more money this year but I'm crossing a line where the extra taxes mean I start moving backwards.
Bossiness are the same way. Lets say NY is gonna whack you for an extra grand in taxes per unit over Alabama. In NY you would have to add a grand to the per unit cost. The market will not allow your product to sell at that price. Net taxes to NYS=0. Alabama knocks off the 1K business tax and you build a million units. Alabama's net tax intake through employee income taxes is huge. Plus sales tax and property tax keeps local economies chugging along. All your employees are hungery so little dinners open. They buy new cars so car dealers open. They build new houses and fix old ones= more property taxes. By having low or even "no" taxes your raking in millions.
NY is sticking to the 1950's model of taxing bossiness to death. This was always a stupid idea but it worked as long as they couldn't move. But as soon as they could move they sure did.
Industry is slowly returning to the US. I can put links up to dozens of pieces of great news for the US. But not a single one in NY. And until we break the unions and taxes I never will be able to.
I guess the CNY model is to get a job at the mall and fist pump about how great NY was 60 years ago.
My point is that while these companies are moving South or are coming back, there is a tradeoff in terms of state governments giving companies a ton of money/subsidies just to set up shop. So, it is just same song, different arrangement. Even in the South, many plants have closed or downsized, as the textile industry in NC comes to mind.
What you are finding in NY, to a degree, are smaller companies that have been started by former employees of larger companies. I think this may the way to go in NY, while it is at its present state and we need to educate people in the industries that are available here.
And whats worse is that while America is slowly re awaking NY is continuing to slide.
The sock mills of Alabama are the story that I'm most aware of. Very sad. But these are very low skilled jobs so as long as welfare pays more the sock mills can afford to pay they will stay gone. Massive slashing cuts to the social safety hammock will be needed to bring those jobs back.
Put a giant sock mill right in Syracuse and end welfare. Work or starve, your choice. Will they sit there and watch there babies starve or go make socks?? I'd be interested in finding out.
Welfare people are never gonna make the big bucks, that ship has sailed for them. Three babies by 14 <--real story, isn't the path to success. But making these people work might just put a work ethic into there children and they may see staying in school beats the sock mills and really get things turned around.
I do under stand this can never happen as the NYS democratic party welfare pump requires an endless stream of new welfare people. Which means the welfare will keep flowing which means the taxes will keep coming and the jobs will keep leaving. If it wasn't such an evil system you'd have to admire what a well oiled piece of perfection it is.
Vermont, a high tax state, has the lowest unemployment, while North Carolina, a low tax state, has high unemployment (higher still than NY). Very, very few companies that I know are setting up shop in VT. Which leads me to believe that most people are being employed by very small, local businesses.
By all accounts, VT should be suffering. Its a state with high sales tax, high property tax, extremely business unfriendly (I think one or two Walmarts were allowed to set up in state, and the rest have been shut out) and even has a socialist senator. There's no major industry except ski resorts and bed and breakfast type stuff. Yet VT seems to be doing pretty well.
Vermont, a high tax state, has the lowest unemployment, while North Carolina, a low tax state, has high unemployment (higher still than NY). Very, very few companies that I know are setting up shop in VT. Which leads me to believe that most people are being employed by very small, local businesses.
By all accounts, VT should be suffering. Its a state with high sales tax, high property tax, extremely business unfriendly (I think one or two Walmarts were allowed to set up in state, and the rest have been shut out) and even has a socialist senator. There's no major industry except ski resorts and bed and breakfast type stuff. Yet VT seems to be doing pretty well.
Great example and considering that small businesses employ the bulk of people working, it seems like that is the way to go.
NY interestingly still gives more than it gets from the federal government and Upstate NY still has a higher GDP than growing NC. California has the highest percentage of people on welfare at 3.8% as of 2010(look at paragraph 5): California pushing more welfare recipients to work - Yahoo! Finance
This is why that number is so high. It isn't exactly comparing apples to apples when the state is also supporting citizens from a neighboring country.
Most of the recipients, however, are children — more than three-quarters of the 1.5 million in the welfare-to-work program CalWORKs, which stands for California Work Opportunity and Responsibility to Kids. The rest are mostly single mothers who must work or participate in job training and related activities to receive cash assistance.
The state has traditionally held a relatively generous attitude toward welfare. For instance, CalWORKs gives cash grants to children even when their parents are ineligible for benefits for various reasons, such as being illegal immigrants, receiving disability, or failing to abide by the program's rules. Only three other states — Indiana, Oregon and Arizona — have such an expansive policy.
Ca. main use is to break NY's fall when we go over the cliff.
I'm pretty sure NY isn't gonna make it but ya never know. I don't think anyone thinks Ca is gonna make it.
Vermont is not really a good comparison. The people there are different. Good example of this is NY has the toughest gun laws in the nation yet every gang banger has a gun. Vermont has no gun laws and its safer then Mayberry. It share a border with NY so its not something in the water that makes NYers so blood thirty.
Is NC considered a state with a good economy?? I don't keep up with these things. See I'd consider NC to be a backwater state like NY and expect them both to be failing but I keep hearing NY compared to NC?????
Ca. main use is to break NY's fall when we go over the cliff.
I'm pretty sure NY isn't gonna make it but ya never know. I don't think anyone thinks Ca is gonna make it.
Vermont is not really a good comparison. The people there are different. Good example of this is NY has the toughest gun laws in the nation yet every gang banger has a gun. Vermont has no gun laws and its safer then Mayberry. It share a border with NY so its not something in the water that makes NYers so blood thirty.
Is NC considered a state with a good economy?? I don't keep up with these things. See I'd consider NC to be a backwater state like NY and expect them both to be failing but I keep hearing NY compared to NC?????
Actually, California has 3 times the people on welfare, while not quite having twice as many people. Per capital, NY is actually around 20th in that regard.
A lot of guns come by way of people that get guns from states with easy gun laws. Some are stolen, are used in drug deals and are sold on the streets, on the low.
NC has or had a couple of the fastest growing metro areas in the country and is a state that many people from the Northeast move to. I'd say that comparing metro areas is a better barometer versus looking at states, as things can vary within a state.
This is why that number is so high. It isn't exactly comparing apples to apples when the state is also supporting citizens from a neighboring country.
Most of the recipients, however, are children — more than three-quarters of the 1.5 million in the welfare-to-work program CalWORKs, which stands for California Work Opportunity and Responsibility to Kids. The rest are mostly single mothers who must work or participate in job training and related activities to receive cash assistance.
The state has traditionally held a relatively generous attitude toward welfare. For instance, CalWORKs gives cash grants to children even when their parents are ineligible for benefits for various reasons, such as being illegal immigrants, receiving disability, or failing to abide by the program's rules. Only three other states — Indiana, Oregon and Arizona — have such an expansive policy.
I get this, but NY is a big gateway state for immigrants as well and children in general boost poverty rates and welfare usage. I dare say that many illegal immigrants aren't on assistance for a variety of reasons(Don't want to be deported, the stigma, don't know they qualify, etc.).
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