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This thread was started over a year ago, and maybe things have changed. I am a SUNY Oswego grad from Syracuse that moved to Raleigh, NC after graduation in 2009. It seems to me that people are flocking down here from up north like crazy. Cary, a suburb of Raleigh, jokingly stands for "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees" to natives down here. Unemployment is still high here, yet the population continues to explode.
There is positives and negatives to each region, a lot of it comes down to personal preference. I do miss those Wegmans subs, nothing down here comes close.
This thread was started over a year ago, and maybe things have changed. I am a SUNY Oswego grad from Syracuse that moved to Raleigh, NC after graduation in 2009. It seems to me that people are flocking down here from up north like crazy. Cary, a suburb of Raleigh, jokingly stands for "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees" to natives down here. Unemployment is still high here, yet the population continues to explode.
There is positives and negatives to each region, a lot of it comes down to personal preference. I do miss those Wegmans subs, nothing down here comes close.
Yes, you still get people moving "down South", but you are starting to see some people moving back from the South too. So, it is more complex than what people think. For instance, I've seen population increases for some Upstate NY counties recently and some counties like Monroe actually saw gains in the 90's too. So, when people say that Upstate NY has been losing people, it isn't as monolitic as people make it out to be.
I feel that I could have written this post! Pretty much every single sentiment you mentioned I completely feel the same about. My husband and I just met someone in this area who is moving back to Western New York. I am usually a glass half full kind of person but there are so many things that I cannot help to compare negatively to the NY region (too much traffic, lead in our water, subpar public schools, private schools (grammar and high schools) cost more than my college education total, expensive houses. Oh my but when I think of NY...which is why we have been trying to move back (the job factor has been the trickiest to solve though)
Yes, you still get people moving "down South", but you are starting to see some people moving back from the South too. So, it is more complex than what people think. For instance, I've seen population increases for some Upstate NY counties recently and some counties like Monroe actually saw gains in the 90's too. So, when people say that Upstate NY has been losing people, it isn't as monolitic as people make it out to be.
I know what you mean. All I'm saying is that I have lived in both areas, and it certainly doesn't seem like many people are leaving the south, well at least this region of the south, to go back up north. There are small upticks of population growth in the north, however over the long term the population has dropped. Syracuse and Rochester's populations have constantly dropped for the last few decades.
I'm certainly not saying that all those people left for the south, I'm just making a point based on personal experience and population trends.
Should I describe my experience with friends moving south about 5-7 years ago and coming back in hordes now... or would that ruin the picture you're trying to portray? I only say it that way because it's late and writing out all of them would be tiresome at this hour.
So do our experiences cancel each other's out or what?
Should I describe my experience with friends moving south about 5-7 years ago and coming back in hordes now... or would that ruin the picture you're trying to portray? I only say it that way because it's late and writing out all of them would be tiresome at this hour.
So do our experiences cancel each other's out or what?
I am interested to hear about this, do you mean that because they are coming back to the North it is becoming over-crowded and they had bad experiences?
I know what you mean. All I'm saying is that I have lived in both areas, and it certainly doesn't seem like many people are leaving the south, well at least this region of the south, to go back up north. There are small upticks of population growth in the north, however over the long term the population has dropped. Syracuse and Rochester's populations have constantly dropped for the last few decades.
I'm certainly not saying that all those people left for the south, I'm just making a point based on personal experience and population trends.
People also have to understand that the populations of those cities dropped because of the suburbanization of those areas and of America, really. Monroe County has never had a population decrease shown on any census and while Onondaga County has lost people, about 15,000, that has been over a 40 years period. Onondaga County's population has actually seen some small gains during the early decade of the 2000's. So, it isn't necessarily fair to just look at the cities, as cities in the South also have annexed surrounding communities in a way cities in NY State haven't. That in turn helps their growth in terms of population too.
I am interested to hear about this, do you mean that because they are coming back to the North it is becoming over-crowded and they had bad experiences?
NC was the big THING, it seems, about 7-8 years ago and tons of my friends were moving down there... now, the taxes are getting higher, it's harder to find jobs, there are too many people, it's too hot and humid and they end up hiberating during the summer... bugs, rodents, huge utility bills for the AC units or central air. They're sick of it, in total, and now there's only one couple still left in the south. They're car-free and enjoy working outside during the "cold" months, especially since they both have health problems that are poorly affected by the cold.
Should I describe my experience with friends moving south about 5-7 years ago and coming back in hordes now... or would that ruin the picture you're trying to portray? I only say it that way because it's late and writing out all of them would be tiresome at this hour.
So do our experiences cancel each other's out or what?
No, thats not neccessary. I absolutely believe that you have had friends that move back, I'm speaking of trends on a much larger scale.
It doesn't really matter much anyway, I guess thats how you find where you want to be, by taking chances. Yes, our experiences do cancel each other out, however thats what makes the country great. So many people, so many preferences and experiences.
No, thats not neccessary. I absolutely believe that you have had friends that move back, I'm speaking of trends on a much larger scale.
It doesn't really matter much anyway, I guess thats how you find where you want to be, by taking chances. Yes, our experiences do cancel each other out, however thats what makes the country great. So many people, so many preferences and experiences.
*Exactly.*
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