Gentrification starting soon in Tampa/Ybor area? (appointed, section 8)

[jdvalle]

Originally Posted by algia

I will never understand why everything has to be "planned" in Florida,...and why this state has to turn into "cookie cutter" world! (condo's, homes...as if all the building styles have been erased from the books! even million dollar homes by the beach have the same "Mediterranean" architecture, (Minus Tarpon, hope they don't mess with it) yet the Mediterranean SEA is nowhere in sight! and oddly enough, no two homes are the same There BY the Mediterranean Sea!)

Are you aware that South Tampa exists?

[craigm1841]

Originally Posted by algia

"Planned Communities" are a disease/disorder as far as I am concerned and Unfortunately I am aware they are everywhere in the US nowadays, However the "concept" wasn't bad, what's bad is that every house is the same........you can "plan" a community and at the same time give it character!
It really makes me wonder what is being taught in an Architecture class!

The other thing I am also "aware of" is that the reason "planned communities" even exist is because some "person" bought some "land" and figured if they'll chop it up they can make a profit by selling every lot for 10 times more than the original piece of land cost in the first place! Too bad ppl bought into this! Now, we're a bunch of Storm Troopers and next we're going to have personal uniforms to wear to match our homes!

I agree planned communities typically lack character. I think if they are done correctly, they can have a lot of character, but this significantly more likely with urban communites. A lot of it has to do with the inhabitants of the community as well. I think encore, as long as they dont provide low income families special opportunites to move in, and keep it a professional middle/upper middle (singles and young couples) to upper class (families) it has potential, if they can draw the culture and art they say they are trying to do... The problem is, tampa is not a haven for the performing arts.

[craigm1841]

Originally Posted by jdvalle

Are you aware that South Tampa exists?

no jdvalle, she is not. We have tried to make her aware of its existance for a long time.

[algia]

R U aware that NOT everyone can live there????

Originally Posted by jdvalle

Are you aware that South Tampa exists?

[TB Fla]

Originally Posted by craigm1841

I agree planned communities typically lack character. I think if they are done correctly, they can have a lot of character, but this significantly more likely with urban communites. A lot of it has to do with the inhabitants of the community as well. I think encore, as long as they dont provide low income families special opportunites to move in, and keep it a professional middle/upper middle (singles and young couples) to upper class (families) it has potential, if they can draw the culture and art they say they are trying to do... The problem is, tampa is not a haven for the performing arts.

Since when does low income=no character? I also wouldn't underestimate Tampa's performing arts. The Straz center is the largest performing arts center in the southeast. That has to say something.

[algia]

hahaha, when was the last time you saw a low income family attend an event there?

"Low Income" doesn't just mean $19k a year these days.....FYI... or less...at what things cost, $30k is low income for a family of just 4.

have you been?

Originally Posted by TB Fla

Since when does low income=no character? I also wouldn't underestimate Tampa's performing arts. The Straz center is the largest performing arts center in the southeast. That has to say something.

[algia]

Ohh, no no....Those homes in Seminole Heights have tons of Character, most area Craftsmen Style...the inhabitants is what destroyed the area and the city leaving it to rot rather than restore as a historic district that it truly is.

These "planned communities" have absolutely no character as none belong to an architectural style other than "uneducated contractor on the loose with illegal immigrants picked up at Home Depot"! Definitely NOT planned with brains!

Originally Posted by TB Fla

Since when does low income=no character?

[thethinktank]

Originally Posted by algia

R U aware that NOT everyone can live there????

R U aware that NOT every residence in South Tampa costs an arm and a leg????

[thethinktank]

Originally Posted by craigm1841

are you serious?

Forgive me for a lack of tact, but yeah, I'm pretty serious about it. While I admire the city of Tampa for attempting to continue the development of its downtown area, Encore smacks of the same soulless and unimaginative kinds of development that effectively prevent cultural progress instead of fostering it. My objection is a bit too philosophical to share here without rolling any eyes, but suffice it to say that history is against this sort of development in terms of fostering cultural progress.

"Master Planning" developments like these are a top down approach to urban development. You raze a section of a city, plan an updated property and hope to attract the right kind of people. The opposite is a bottom up approach, where culture drives development instead of the other way around.

Look at New York City. Would you want to set foot in the Lower East Side of Manhattan 10 years ago? Today, pricey modern highrises are going up on every block while luxury boutiques dot the landscape below. In Chicago, would you have wanted to live in Wicker Park 15 years ago? 10 years after the arts culture created a vibe there, MTV came a-knocking for the filming of the Real World. Here in Tampa, Hyde Park had it's cultural turn around, same as Seminole Heights is doing today. Development in these cases is driven by culture, by the arts and those in their employ, who craft communities in poor neighborhoods that become desirable places to live.

In this case, with Encore, Tampa is razing sections of the city to build pre-planned (and architecturally soulless) residences with a focus on real estate and commerce, hoping that culture will follow. It just doesn't work that way. It never really has. So when I say "Don't have a genuine identity of your own? No problem. Move to Encore!!" I mean that this type of project has a character dictated by committee, by corporation, by a municipality, not by the people and their creativity alone. Encore does not have a culture in the artistic sense, it has a vision in the economic sense. Thereby, its inhabitants are a part of an economic creation, not a part of a creation of their own.

[DoctorRain]

It looks like I wouldn't wanna move to Encore then.

Anything planned never has a true neighborhood feel whether its in the city or suburbs or wherever. I mean.. I just don't know about this one.