Gentrification starting soon in Tampa/Ybor area? (apartment, credit)

[DoctorRain]

Originally Posted by algia

"Planned Communities" are a disease/disorder as far as I am concerned and Unfortunately I am aware they are everywhere in the US nowadays, However the "concept" wasn't bad, what's bad is that every house is the same........you can "plan" a community and at the same time give it character!
It really makes me wonder what is being taught in an Architecture class!

The other thing I am also "aware of" is that the reason "planned communities" even exist is because some "person" bought some "land" and figured if they'll chop it up they can make a profit by selling every lot for 10 times more than the original piece of land cost in the first place! Too bad ppl bought into this! Now, we're a bunch of Storm Troopers and next we're going to have personal uniforms to wear to match our homes!

You know whats really awful about many of these too.. They come with alarms and it seems to me like many fear for their safety and always HAVE to turn their alarms on every night. Its like a fear factor. Its no quality of life for anyone if they feel they have to put an alarm on every night to feel safe. Thats total utter bs and I see it every ****ing day in my house.

[DoctorRain]

Originally Posted by MAniacTHW

If Florida were serious about gentrification, they would've straight up destroyed Nebraska Ave by now.

Yea or parts of Bradenton that they didn' even touch yet. They keep saying they are gonna fix things, but they don't. Its all talk. I don't fully know Tampas situation since I don't live there, but even in Bradenton, it seems like the same thing your describing as well. They talk about fixing up 41, but they haven't.

[num1baby]

One thing that bothered me about Florida for a while was the fact that the buildings all seemed to look the same. I couldn't figure out why they didn't build different styles. It finally hit me one day. They do it to appeal to a broader customer base. It is the same reason that when you are trying to sell your house, you paint over the bright red wall with beige paint. More people can picture themselves in the house if it is "neutral".

I think the buildings kind of had the same thing happen. One developer decided to use a certain style for a project and then he became comfortable with it, so used the style over and over because it was easier than trying new styles and finding new problems. He knew how long it should take to build and how to avoid issues that came up during building. Another developer either saw that that style was selling well or wanted to make sure that his buildings were complimented by the other styles in the area.

Eventually most of the developers are using the same few styles because "It's what sells well". Of course that's because we don't have much of a choice in the matter because that is all that is available. Now it is hard to break out of the rut because even the customers kind of want what is familiar (even if it is subconsciously). There are some places that are willing to take risks (Longleaf in Odessa area), but I think it comes down to habit on the builder's side and on the buyer's side.

I will say that being a Florida native, I would love to see something different. Watching HGTV has made me fall in love with Craftsman style homes. They seem to have a character that is lacking in so much Florida architecture. I would love to see more of that, but I can understand why we don't have more of that here. This generally applies to both residential and commercial buildings.

[DoctorRain]

Originally Posted by tewas

Casanova and Think,
I lived in lower income apartment complex with my parents when i was younger, there was a level of noise, that i did not hear in my past few places, where community was geared trowards young professionals with dispossable income. I don't know why that happens, but there is a definite difference and if i can afford not to live with lower income people, i will move away, it's just my personal preference.

Now that said, i DO NOT think that every low income family is a crappy familly. There are quite a few of them trying their best to get ahead in life and actually quite pleasant to live by. I don't mind if there are 10% subsidized units in the complex who are rented to qualifying people, but if they have more, or does a poor job af screening applicants, then the community is going to fail attracting high income residents.

Just like many states should start screening ppl who enter them. There is a certain method in which it could work too.

[ferret111]

Originally Posted by DoctorRain

Just like many states should start screening ppl who enter them. There is a certain method in which it could work too.

Wait, you want states to screen people before they cross the state line?

[BBI]

Originally Posted by DoctorRain

Just like many states should start screening ppl who enter them. There is a certain method in which it could work too.

The method where we set the Constitution on fire?

[tewas]

Originally Posted by DoctorRain

Just like many states should start screening ppl who enter them. There is a certain method in which it could work too.

I hope you do realize that every landlord that owns higher end apartment does "screening" of possible tenants for credit worthiness, job status, criminal past and other things they deem it's necessary. Some of them do a good job to make sure their building is attractive to high paying customers and they can get premium for the rent and some of them don't do a good job, eventually leading buildings being run-down by lower income/questionable past people.

[Innertuber]

Your paperz please. Show me your paperzz. Opps. Wait - that needs to post in the Arizona forum.

[Anamandy]

Originally Posted by craigm1841

I, for one, will not live in a building which has units set aside for low income families. It may sound a bit elitist, but I have worked very hard to get where I am, I deserve to live in more exclusive communities. That is just how the world works. I get rewarded from working my ass off, they do not. And I dont come from a privelaged childhood, so save your lectures. I have full intentions of moving to Encore in a few years when it is done. I will not be if this is truth.



ENCORE is going to have more of a music/artsy vibe as oppesed to a Tech vibe that Creative Villiage has. As a musician, I welcome more venues for young musicians to express themselves and for local residents to be entertained.

I know from experience that, however well intentioned, low income housing quickly turns into projects. Lefrac City, in Queens, NY is a prime example. Built on 40 acres in the 60s for middle income families it was a marvel of modern design for that time - a city within a city. The builders were forced to rent to Section 8 recipients and within a few months the place was a vandalized, drug and crime infested slum.

The Fresh Meadows Complex in Fresh Meadows Queens, NY is another example. 165 beautifully landscaped acres with a complex of apartments and duplexes in a park like setting. For decades residents lived a comfortable and safe life. Then the complex was forced to rent to low income people. Within one month of that decision woman were being raped in the laundry rooms; burgularies tripled; home invasions forced the owners of the complex to have intercom and camera systems installed; vandalism (what liberals like to defend as an artform they named graffiti) marred every blank space; drugs were being openly dealth on the streets within the complex; hookers started working the streets; stores closed up shop because they couldn't afford the weekly robberies; and people coming home from work or walking their dogs were mugged at knife and gunpoint. Fortunately, the owners of the complex waged an agressive legal campaign against the destructive residents and the police did major crackdowns on the criminals and some order has been restored but the reputation of beautiful Fresh Meadows has been forever tarnished.

Yep, you're right. The last thing you need is another low income area. It's sad to say but low income people don't appreciate nice places to live unless their own blood, sweat, and tears paid for it.

[DoctorRain]

Originally Posted by ferret111

Wait, you want states to screen people before they cross the state line?

On some of the major roadways or at airports. Its more like a city and state planning issue (my idea that I know of) where theres a screening process as an attempt to bring people in who are a good fit for the place and not people who truly don't belong there kinda thing. You would be asked how long you plan to visit or if you plan to build a life there. An attempt to weed out those who are not serious about their life vision and only make the serious ones who enjoy life in a place be the ones living there or at least try hard to make it this way.