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Old 05-08-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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Statistics are from the National Educators Association. I can't post a link right now but will do so later- I'm on my phone. FL spends $10,593 per student which is 41 on the list. Vermont is the highest at $21,379.
Thank you for backing up my argument. If they charged more for university tuition instead of literally giving it away, they could afford to spread the money around on K-12 education.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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The first private school I could think of, The University of Tampa, costs about $23,000 a year for tuition. Florida charges about $4-5k, depending on the school.

You must have been educated in a public school.
Nope I went to a private university. I was speaking on my knowledge of the graduate tuition rates, which are around $370 a credit. If they tripled undergrad tuition it would still be close to some private universities. But yes, they should spend more on K-12 and charge more for college.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:24 PM
 
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Maybe, but he/she quoted me in the response. This class size thing was an issue when I went to school in NYC back in the 1970's. We had 35 kids in a class, every class, all the time.
oops! Didn't notice that.

Back in the 60s, we had 50-60 class size...and we received a good education.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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Interesting article. In a nutshell it says CEOs love the business climate of Florida but are extremely hesitant about the lack of investment in public education.

Florida high in CEO business poll, but public schools still suffer poor perception - St. Petersburg Times

Hello? Reality is calling.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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What is the difference how many kids in the class? If they are all paying attention to the teacher, they will learn. In college you go to huge auditoriums for lectures. Everybody who is paying attention is learning something.


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Do you have kids in public schools with 40+ students in their classes? My high school was like that and I can assure you that very little learning occurred. Increasing the class size is not going to make an already mediocre public education system any better. The people that are in support of this either don't have children or they send them to private schools so they don't care.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:37 PM
 
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What is the difference how many kids in the class? If they are all paying attention to the teacher, they will learn. In college you go to huge auditoriums for lectures. Everybody who is paying attention is learning something.
College students choose to go to class so they will pay attention. When you have over 40 children in a high school classroom designed to fit 30, half of whom don't want to be there, they get loud and roudy. It was hard for teachers to control the class.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Perception vs. Reality are two different things. What one perceives vs what is factual are not the same.


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Interesting article. In a nutshell it says CEOs love the business climate of Florida but are extremely hesitant about the lack of investment in public education.

Florida high in CEO business poll, but public schools still suffer poor perception - St. Petersburg Times

Hello? Reality is calling.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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The teachers I grew up with didn't have any problem controlling their classes. They had authority and displayed it well. If you got loud and rowdy
you got tossed out of the classroom for a trip to the dean's office for some remedial attention. Worked well.



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College students choose to go to class so they will pay attention. When you have over 40 children in a high school classroom designed to fit 30, half of whom don't want to be there, they get loud and roudy. It was hard for teachers to control the class.
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Old 05-08-2011, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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Perception vs. Reality are two different things. What one perceives vs what is factual are not the same.
Doesn't matter. I once had a bad experience in Miami. I now perceive that Miami is a horrible city and will never return. Is it factually a horrible city? Probably not, but perception becomes reality no matter what the facts. Are Florida public schools better than they were? Maybe, maybe not, but after decades of poor performance and the legislature's zeal to defund them , the perception among many is they're not and that the state doesn't really care.

Seriously, if you were just starting out, would you ever even consider for a moment of being a teacher in Florida? I know I wouldn't-not now.
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Old 05-08-2011, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Under your thinking, if you had a lousy meal at a well known highly rated restaurant, you'd never go there again.


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Doesn't matter. I once had a bad experience in Miami. I now perceive that Miami is a horrible city and will never return. Is it factually a horrible city? Probably not, but perception becomes reality no matter what the facts. Are Florida public schools better than they were? Maybe, maybe not, but after decades of poor performance and the legislature's zeal to defund them , the perception among many is they're not and that the state doesn't really care.

Seriously, if you were just starting out, would you ever even consider for a moment of being a teacher in Florida? I know I wouldn't-not now.
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