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Old 11-05-2012, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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sinatras;26818702]These people should never have built what they have built the way they built it. Most of the areas wiped out or damaged Sandy surge are FEMA special designated Flood Zones A or AE. Why should NJ and NY get a pass for ignoring flood zoning?

Most of that real estate was built on way before flood zones were established. Most of the housing stock affected was built post WWII


"Nobody would have figured on flooding in that area."-- Spring Hillian

Um, really? Why? Because Mother Nature has a special interest in protecting the NYSE?

No, not because of any special interest, it just never happened in the 20th century and rare
in the 19th. The IRT subway is over 100 years old an it has never flooded like that in it's history.



Those areas are HIGH risk flood zones per FEMA, just like New Orleans or Miami Beach or Cape Hatteras. Ignore the flood maps at your peril, that's the lesson from Sandy. Same thing will happen to Miami Beach and other areas built up when it's only a matter of time before 20 foot storm surge takes it out. Same goes for St. Pete, etc.

Absolutely.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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What can we learn? Dont be stupid and help yourself in advance
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:31 AM
 
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What can we learn? Dont be stupid and help yourself in advance
Heyyy you're back...where have you been?


Look, what is completely ironic is all these millionaires keep building structures of any sort THAT close to the water. I get that "water view" is gorgeous and so on...BUT have some common sense, why spend all these millions to have your house washed out in one day??? To me, that's not very smart.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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What can we learn? Dont be stupid and help yourself in advance
easy to say, but there are hundreds of thousands of people in our area who can't help themselves....hope our resources are ready
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:59 AM
 
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Look, what is completely ironic is all these millionaires keep building structures of any sort THAT close to the water.
There's nothing wrong with building a home close to the water but if you have the money at least design it to withstand storms and surges.
No basement, built off the ground, in concrete instead of wood with solid foundations.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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I agree; In SC they are building them in stilts for a reason, and so it all over FL...all though, very few of the newer ones built in FL are on stilts...usually it is the flat out huge plopped down mac-mansion...with garage at water level and everything. In Ozona you can still find homes on Stilts, but rare...

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There's nothing wrong with building a home close to the water but if you have the money at least design it to withstand storms and surges.
No basement, built off the ground, in concrete instead of wood with solid foundations.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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I agree that it is silly to build on the waterfront anywhere without correct construction. It can be done, but it is going to be darn expensive and then there are no guarantees with mother nature.

Keep in mind, a lot of the housing lost along the shorelines in Sandy were built as summer homes. Not year round residences. That goes for Rockaway, the Staten Island shoreline, and certainly the Jersey shoreline. They were built to be seasonal. Closed up and abandoned after Labor day.

Most of those who lost their homes in Rockaway especially where the fire was, and those people on Staten Island are far from millionaires.

But for some, that spectacular ocean view is priceless.



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Heyyy you're back...where have you been?


Look, what is completely ironic is all these millionaires keep building structures of any sort THAT close to the water. I get that "water view" is gorgeous and so on...BUT have some common sense, why spend all these millions to have your house washed out in one day??? To me, that's not very smart.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Sunny Florida
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There's nothing wrong with building a home close to the water but if you have the money at least design it to withstand storms and surges.
No basement, built off the ground, in concrete instead of wood with solid foundations.
I agree and would also add that if you are near the coast you should invest in flood insurance just in case a natural disaster strikes.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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these homes being damaged by surge cause all of our insurance rates to increase - home and auto
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:52 PM
 
Location: State of Waiting
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these homes being damaged by surge cause all of our insurance rates to increase - home and auto
Acts of God... no one can control any of this, BucFan. Let's all be happy for those of us who were not affected by Sandy, and think of those who have no home, electricity, etc., with compassion. Unfortunately you can't "move" a house that fast when it is in the way of a storm surge, right?

This IS Hurricane season, afterall. The reinsurers build it into their premiums for the big insurance companies to spread the risk. Excess catastrophic loss...

I will be getting flood insurance when I move to Lakeland, that is a given. And after reading this thread, probably a small generator too...
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