Four hotel projects planned for downtown Tampa (Clearwater, Spring Hill: rent, insurance)

[gypsychic]

This thread is veering off subject. Welfare and low wages have nothing to do with the new hotels being planned for the area.

This place is no different from anywhere else, some people do well, make more money, some don't.

Mayor is doing a FANTASTIC job bringing business and development and business to downtown, and he is doing it in the right way.

[algia]

Originally Posted by gypsychic

This thread is veering off subject. Welfare and low wages have nothing to do with the new hotels being planned for the area.

Mayor is doing a FANTASTIC job bringing business and development and business to downtown, and he is doing it in the right way.

Yes they do. How much do you think the room keepers will be paid? He is doing nothing to keep the graduates here. That should be his first priority, and not building more useless hotels.

[The Villages Guy]

Originally Posted by gypsychic

Mayor is doing a FANTASTIC job bringing business and development and business to downtown, and he is doing it in the right way.

Absolutely!

We are HUGE fans of the mayor. We don't agree on everything, but overall he is first rate!

[gonzoUSF]

Originally Posted by algia

Yes they do. How much do you think the room keepers will be paid? He is doing nothing to keep the graduates here. That should be his first priority, and not building more useless hotels.

I am willing to bet that the maids and the 'lower' end people at these new hotels make more than a person working at a fast food place or low end retail. Take a guess who the number one employer in Tampa is...Publix and then Wal-Mart (not exactly high wager earners)

We don't live in a utopia, not everyone is going to have the same wage, some people make more some people make minimum wage. That's how it is, that's how it always has been and will always be. The people working minimum wage don't have to do so, they are not being forced too, they have either limited themselves to that position by doing drugs, breaking the law, not going to school etc., otherwise they are lazy. This is America anyone can move up the ladder if they really wanted too.

Bringing this back to the hotels, Tampa can't get high quality jobs in downtown if they don't have the services to support them, ie hotels and their employees. Without the help of hotels no retail comes to downtown and with no retail comes no residents. It's all about coming full circle.

*edit* So I remember reading somewheres that McD's was the largest employer, but can't find the source again, so I'll use the one I found which says Publix is. Nevertheless my point remains the same.

[Spring Hillian]

I stand by my statement. I don't see why some folks think that people with no skills, education, or lack of motivation do poorly in Florida when in fact they would do poorly no matter where they live.
If you have a marketable skill and are good at what you do, you work. If you have no skills, no personality, nothing to offer the employer but a body, then you will not find work.

Employers are in business to make money. In these difficult times, it is the employers who
can pick and choose their next employees. Employers are not there to offer training and instruction.
They need productive workers. If an employer hires someone who is not productive, they are harming their business.

Some folks here are fixated on "low wages" yet they fail to point out that there are more people earning a decent living in FL than not.

If the best you can do with your life is cleaning hotel rooms, then so be it. That is a personal problem.
If the best you can do with your life is working in fast food operations, then so be it.

Ive met a lot of people in my years and I find that those with out any skills to offer an employer
suffer on the income. Here, everywhere.

Too many people expect to be paid top dollar when they offer nothing and then complain when they cant make a living.

In states with higher taxes, higher costs of living, you have higher salaries being paid.
In FL we have no income tax, our taxes are in the top 5 of LOWEST taxes paid.

Floridians have an average annual salary of $40,750, or an hourly wage of $19.59, as of May 2011 and FL ranks fourth for the highest number of employees at about 7.2 million. 19 states have a lower average wage than Florida yet some continue to state that the jobs pay less than $10 an hour.






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Originally Posted by TXRyan23

Something has been bothering me about the forum, and this pretty much sums it up, burbdweller claims that there are too many "welfare leeches," you algia, claim that low wages is what causes it. On several occasions, I've made the statement that Florida is a very low wage paying state. Spring Hillian then tells me that she doesn't know anyone making minimum wage and that only people with no skills, education, or lack of motivation do poorly in Florida.
So what is a person to believe?

I know what I went through in my 18 years living in the Bay Area and I often times resent when someone dismisses my experience and thoughts on the area just because it doesn't always fit into the Sunshine & Disney mindset of others. There are quite a few people that do very well for themselves in Florida, but they are the exception, NOT the rule!

[burbdweller]

"the world needs ditch diggers too"


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[burbdweller]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

I stand by my statement. I don't see why some folks think that people with no skills, education, or lack of motivation do poorly in Florida when in fact they would do poorly no matter where they live.

If you have a marketable skill and are good at what you do, you work. If you have no skills, no personality, nothing to offer the employer but a body, then you will not find work.

If the best you can do with your life is cleaning hotel rooms, then so be it. That is a personal problem.
If the best you can do with your life is working in fast food operations, then so be it.

Ive met a lot of people in my years and I find that those with out any skills to offer an employer
suffer on the income. Here, everywhere.

Yep, agree with this guy 100%

Some people would rather just sit on their a$$ and collect a paycheck from uncle sam, by the way, that me and everyone else with a job PAID FOR, than try to improve their situation in life through legitimate means.

[Spring Hillian]

Where on earth do you get the "fact" that McDonalds is the #1 employer in Tampa?


Otherwise, I agree with you

Originally Posted by gonzoUSF

I am willing to bet that the maids and the 'lower' end people at these new hotels make more than a person working at a fast food place. Take a guess who the number one employer in Tampa is...McDonalds.

We don't live in a utopia, not everyone is going to have the same wage, some people make more some people make minimum wage. That's how it is, that's how it always has been and will always be. The people working minimum wage don't have to do so, they are not being forced too, they have either limited themselves to that position by doing drugs, breaking the law, not going to school etc., otherwise they are lazy. This is America anyone can move up the ladder if they really wanted too.

Bringing this back to the hotels, Tampa can't get high quality jobs in downtown if they don't have the services to support them, ie hotels and their employees. Without the help of hotels no retail comes to downtown and with no retail comes no residents. It's all about coming full circle.

[burbdweller]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

Where on earth do you get the "fact" that McDonalds is the #1 employer in Tampa?

I thought "unemployed" was the largest employer in Tampa

[gonzoUSF]

Spring Hillian--Where on earth do you get the "fact" that McDonalds is the #1 employer in Tampa?

To quick for me haha. I already edited it. I swear I remember seeing McDonalds as the number one employer in Tampa based on number of employees somewheres. Either I am losing my mind or something. McDonalds employes around 3,000, I think I may have mistakenly added a 0 in there at first glance.

Well said BTW, couldn't agree more with what you just posted.