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Old 04-03-2013, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Tampa, Fl
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THIS is as true as it can get......very unfortunately.



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I would LOVE to see the facts that back up this claim.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Wake County, NC
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I think a lot of our founding fathers would die from humiliation if they saw a LOT of what goes on in today's America.
We'll never know... so it's a mute point.

The world and technology have evolved and our laws need to evolve to keep up. This isn't rocket science.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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The world and technology have evolved and our laws need to evolve to keep up. This isn't rocket science.
You must vote lefty...
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:22 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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any new law shoudl have a period of time of warnings,,, $30 is high my weeks groceries or gas,,, and it is NOT a criminal offence!
The easy and responsible solution, if $30 is high as a fine, is not to text... at all.
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:24 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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It IS a violation of our rights to issue a ticket for something you do within your home or vehicle.

What I'd like to see is an officer trying to PROVE that someone is texting and driving, wouldn't it be as simple as deleting the text before the officer approaches the vehicle?

Are they going to violate your privacy by subpoenaing your phone company for your text message records? Do those even exist?
YOUR rights end when mine are infringed upon.

The moment you do not take your privilege, not right, to drive seriously and concentrate on it rather than your texting, you become a danger to others, including me if I am near you.
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:27 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Whoa, whoa, whoa......what's wrong with having sex in the car while driving?

Seriously though....they tried to make smoking in the car illegal? What genius thought that stupid reg up?
There are some jurisdictions which have made smoking in a car with children present illegal.
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:47 AM
 
Location: says MA on my license but can be found wandering the beaches of RI
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There are good points made here - from different perspectives - and the reason being is this is a grey area.

It's true that driving is a privelege, not a right, which opens it up to being scrutinized. So while I agree that texting and driving is, in some capacity, driving to endanger, and agree that we should not engage in this, I can understand also where TXRyan was coming from to an extent. Where is the line where our rights to privacy and Big Brother begin and end?

What I mean is, if a law can be passed for no texting and driving - under the basis that it is dangerous - (again, something I agree with) - will this open the door to passing a law you cannot drive and eat, drive and drink coffee/water (whatever), etc. etc. You get the idea. Some people don't have to be doing anything but "drive" and are a danger on the roads, lol. And some people can do this multi-tasking driving and eating and are better than the bad drivers. But that's beside the point. NY has a law you cannot talk on the phone and drive and I'm sure some other states have this law too. So what constitutes a dangerous activity while driving and why are some becoming illegal and others remain acceptable.

We have that law here in Mass and RI (no texting and driving) and sadly (and expected) it hasn't really deterred many.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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That's because they are the ones texting! So imagine if you passed a law that would not let you do what you are so used to doing!
I wonder why in NY its possible and here it isn't.
Like this would even be enforced. There is always some d-bag doing 100 down hillsborough ave and supercop is never around, but you go 6 over and your busted...
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:23 AM
 
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There are good points made here - from different perspectives - and the reason being is this is a grey area.

It's true that driving is a privelege, not a right, which opens it up to being scrutinized. So while I agree that texting and driving is, in some capacity, driving to endanger, and agree that we should not engage in this, I can understand also where TXRyan was coming from to an extent. Where is the line where our rights to privacy and Big Brother begin and end?

What I mean is, if a law can be passed for no texting and driving - under the basis that it is dangerous - (again, something I agree with) - will this open the door to passing a law you cannot drive and eat, drive and drink coffee/water (whatever), etc. etc. You get the idea. Some people don't have to be doing anything but "drive" and are a danger on the roads, lol. And some people can do this multi-tasking driving and eating and are better than the bad drivers. But that's beside the point. NY has a law you cannot talk on the phone and drive and I'm sure some other states have this law too. So what constitutes a dangerous activity while driving and why are some becoming illegal and others remain acceptable.

We have that law here in Mass and RI (no texting and driving) and sadly (and expected) it hasn't really deterred many.
There is a clear line, where the rights of others begin and your liberties end. I don;'t understand how is sane to challenge the concept of laws all of the sudden. All you hear now whenever a law is enacted is how "this isn't really going to solve the problem". As a society we conduct studies that determine what activity is safe to perform while driving, there are hundreds of studies that prove the effect of alcohol on your driving abilities, so we go by that not by some guy who says he can handle his liquor. Same goes for texting and talking on the phone without a hands free device, which is btw whats illegal in NY, not talking per se. So when we enact laws we try to use science and common sense, not what we think a group of people would have wanted or not wanted 240 years ago.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: says MA on my license but can be found wandering the beaches of RI
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There is a clear line, where the rights of others begin and your liberties end. I don;'t understand how is sane to challenge the concept of laws all of the sudden. All you hear now whenever a law is enacted is how "this isn't really going to solve the problem". As a society we conduct studies that determine what activity is safe to perform while driving, there are hundreds of studies that prove the effect of alcohol on your driving abilities, so we go by that not by some guy who says he can handle his liquor. Same goes for texting and talking on the phone without a hands free device, which is btw whats illegal in NY, not talking per se. So when we enact laws we try to use science and common sense, not what we think a group of people would have wanted or not wanted 240 years ago.
The point I was trying to make is it's a grey area no matter how we look at it because the laws are ever-changing to keep up with our ever-changing society, technology etc. It is pretty obvious it's dangerous to put on makeup while driving though I see it often driving to work. It's always been dangerous to text and drive but we have only caught up to that reality and passing a law in an attempt to prevent it based on the horrific accidents and like what you said, studies done.

I would love to see clearer lines being drawn so it is more understood and adhered to so you made a good point as well.

The unfortunate thing is so many people continue to do what they want to do whether there's a law or not. And that is scary for sure.
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