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Old 08-02-2013, 06:56 AM
 
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You made the right choice, and no more white elephants for us.
Light-Rail to Nowhere: Honolulu, Hawaii's Train Boondoggle - Reason.com
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Tampa, Fl
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Gov. Scott made the right choice for Florida because something in Hawaii failed? Seems legit.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Terra
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How long until this thread turns into a "trainwreck" or "derails"...

Rail discussion just won't stop.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:20 AM
 
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No, the lesson to be learned is: don't fall for a government bribe when you are on the hook for big dollars.

mrviking, there was a recent study done on the California "bullet" (actually 40 mph) train. They are now on the hook for about $100 billion (and increasing). Look at Barron's from a couple weeks ago for the story.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:32 AM
 
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No, the lesson to be learned is: don't fall for a government bribe when you are on the hook for big dollars.

mrviking, there was a recent study done on the California "bullet" (actually 40 mph) train. They are now on the hook for about $100 billion (and increasing). Look at Barron's from a couple weeks ago for the story.
Yes and thank you, Check out the comments to the article from people elsewhere that got stuck with light rail. If you don't see those red flags, then you deserve someone's hand in your pocket.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:44 AM
 
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It can be done well. Look up Patco speedline or NJ riverline. Patco has been an unmitigated success since 1969. The riverline opponents said it would never be used but the ridership has grown beyond capacity. I posted these as an example because I'm very familiar with them.
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Any Beach/FL
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Comparison with other states and other deals do not equal to same results. It is like saying don't get married because there is a 55% divorce rate. The people are making less and less money to live on and mass transit for the future- Light rail is a better deal than that DUKE electric plant that will never be built.
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Castle Rock, Co
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I used to be against the rail here in florida but have changed my thoughts on that. It has to start somewhere though, I personally would like to be able to hop on a train to go to disney for the day, hop on a train and come back. There is so much to do in orlando, if they were able to do a high speed to the area and then light rail on this side and that side to connect the high speed to the attractions that would be awesome.
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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I used to be against the rail here in florida but have changed my thoughts on that. It has to start somewhere though, I personally would like to be able to hop on a train to go to disney for the day, hop on a train and come back. There is so much to do in orlando, if they were able to do a high speed to the area and then light rail on this side and that side to connect the high speed to the attractions that would be awesome.
Most will. Just we don't know when--in this life or another
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Terra
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I used to be against the rail here in florida but have changed my thoughts on that. It has to start somewhere though, I personally would like to be able to hop on a train to go to disney for the day, hop on a train and come back. There is so much to do in orlando, if they were able to do a high speed to the area and then light rail on this side and that side to connect the high speed to the attractions that would be awesome.
Maybe the theme parks could contribute funds to build if the train is going to be stopping at them.

Of course, they would jack up prices for admission, food, merchandise, etc to cover the cost.
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