Wesley chapel Grove movies shooting (Tampa: fit in, adults, training)

[bentlebee]

Originally Posted by bannedontherun

First of all, it's irrelevant because no one in the theater case is charged with assault or battery. 1st degree is just simply premeditated, not a murder for no reason. Certain cheerleaders of Reeves on here are trying to justify the shooting so don't be mislead or get caught up in their foolishness. The law isn't as cut and dried, black and white as it's written. They're trying to say Reeves was assaulted or battered but it isn't that simple. Factors such as instigation, provoking, participating and a whole plethora of other criteria play a role in determining if Reeve's acted in self defense. A lot of will depend on case law of which I admit, I know nothing about. I still believe he will be convicted of the 2nd degree murder.

Just to be clear I'm not a cheerleader of anyone...you seem to have all your own facts and want to dismiss the facts as shown so far in court and on tape which clearly is showing who had the popcorn in his hand and what happened with that popcorn.

You are entitled to your own believes but facts are facts and we will see what the outcome is by a jury.

The only cheerleader I see so far without showing one grain of proof to back up the story seems to be you. Just because you don't agree with others doesn't give you the right to call me or someone else a cheerleader for Reeves!

I don't know any of the people involved and I was not a witness and not close to the place. I just stated what I see on ape and even stated things may be different but it clearly shows Oulsen not the person that some have made him out to be like he was a saint! He clearly didn't acted like most of us as adults will do and stop doing what he wasn't suppose to do in the first place in a theater....

[bentlebee]

Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall

I don't believe it's permissible to file such charges against a dead man.

I agree with you on that...the same counts for the one killing the 4 USF students.

[New Horizons]

Yeah but you gun nuts secretly long for the days of the old west where everybody around you is armed, and there's that slight tension in the air. That's exciting to you isn't it? "An armed society is a polite society", all that BS.

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

good idea. yes, I certainly would sit in front, behind or with him anywhere. he did nothing that he shouldnt have done based on the circumstances.

[Blondy]

Originally Posted by NY-TAMPA

Just revisiting this thread and again the grainy video shows Chad Oulson responding to Reeves by grabbing his popcorn and throwing it at him which many here believe makes him the aggressor but the reality is that no one here knows as to WHY Oulson reacted that way. Did Reeves simply sit down, turn to his wife and say "Ok sweetie I am so happy to be here with you this afternoon" ?? All of this back and forth is conjecture ... Wait for the trial.

What could possibly be an acceptable reason to grab something out of someone's hand and throw it back at them?

How can it be seen as anything other than an act of overt physical aggression?

Don't most people assume if someone makes a physically aggressive move toward them there's more to come? Isn't the normal human reaction to physical aggression an instinctual fight or flight response?

Even more so, if there was also a cell phone thrown at Reeves face. I cant really tell from the videos I've seen. Pity the jurors in this case who will have to watch that eye straining/headache inducing video repeatedly!!

[Spring Hillian]

What you fail to understand is most of these people would stand there and cry if someone
grabbed something out of their hands and threw it at them. Then they would be beat to a pulp.

Originally Posted by bentlebee

Just to be clear I'm not a cheerleader of anyone...you seem to have all your own facts and want to dismiss the facts as shown so far in court and on tape which clearly is showing who had the popcorn in his hand and what happened with that popcorn.

You are entitled to your own believes but facts are facts and we will see what the outcome is by a jury.

The only cheerleader I see so far without showing one grain of proof to back up the story seems to be you. Just because you don't agree with others doesn't give you the right to call me or someone else a cheerleader for Reeves!

I don't know any of the people involved and I was not a witness and not close to the place. I just stated what I see on ape and even stated things may be different but it clearly shows Oulsen not the person that some have made him out to be like he was a saint! He clearly didn't acted like most of us as adults will do and stop doing what he wasn't suppose to do in the first place in a theater....

[bannedontherun]

Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall

Yes it is.

The law is the law, only interpretations thereof may vary.

You really do need to get out more, our prison system has hundreds if not thousands of people who were under far more of a threat (even had injuries) and had far more justification to shoot than Reeves did (sometimes even defending their own homes) and yet they are sitting in prison. Check out FAMM, Families against Minimum Mandatories and see for yourself.

[Spring Hillian]

Originally Posted by New Horizons

Yeah but you gun nuts secretly long for the days of the old west where everybody around you is armed, and there's that slight tension in the air. That's exciting to you isn't it? "An armed society is a polite society", all that BS.

First off, I am not a gun nut. I own two firearms. One to defend my home and one to defend me.
Everybody is the old west were not armed. Only those who choose to be. Same as it is now.
Then they didnt worry about concealed, most of the time it was open carry and some states have
that option on the books but any modern gun owner would tell you that is a stupid way to carry a weapon.
Slight tension in the air? Over what? I get slight tension when I walk through ghetto neighborhoods but I really dont worry about it. Please get off your anti gun soapbox.

I tell ya - Ive seen more anti gun people turn their opinions really quick when something happened to them, a neighbor, a friend or relative.

[bannedontherun]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

First off, I am not a gun nut. I own two firearms. One to defend my home and one to defend me.
Everybody is the old west were not armed. Only those who choose to be. Same as it is now.
Then they didnt worry about concealed, most of the time it was open carry and some states have
that option on the books but any modern gun owner would tell you that is a stupid way to carry a weapon.
Slight tension in the air? Over what? I get slight tension when I walk through ghetto neighborhoods but I really dont worry about it. Please get off your anti gun soapbox.

I tell ya - Ive seen more anti gun people turn their opinions really quick when something happened to them, a neighbor, a friend or relative.

Oh yeah, there's a burglar behind every bush, the streets are knee deep in felons and they're all after you....boo, don't be startled it was just your own shadow. There's no need to walk around packing heat unless of course, you want something to happen.

[ChuteTheMall]

Originally Posted by bannedontherun

You really do need to get out more, our prison system has hundreds if not thousands of people who were under far more of a threat (even had injuries) and had far more justification to shoot than Reeves did (sometimes even defending their own homes) and yet they are sitting in prison. Check out FAMM, Families against Minimum Mandatories and see for yourself.

But that doesn't change the law, does it?

Only the interpretations may vary. The law is actually written in black and white.

I don't believe your unsubstantiated allegation that there are hundreds or thousands in prison right now with more justification to shoot and who were under greater threats. There is no evidence of that presented.

86% of all statistics are just made up?

[ChuteTheMall]

Originally Posted by bannedontherun

There's no need to walk around packing heat unless of course, you want something to happen.

There's no need to drive around with a spare tire unless, of course you want to get a flat tire.

Millions of demonstrably law abiding licensees doubt your ability to read minds.

Florida alone had over a million active permits in effect last year, not including thousands of non-resident permits. (1,149,836 on 8/31/2013). They make up a large portion of the over 8 million nationwide with permits, and several states require no such permits.

They perceive the need, but you have no clue what they want. Most people want to survive.