The times they are a changin' (Jacksonville, Tampa: crime, to live, safe)

[housingcrashsurvivor]

Originally Posted by DUNNDFRNT

...what do you call people who don't believe in science, are afraid of knowledge and hate intelligence.

He calls them "normal people (having a) healthy reaction...towards dysfunctional behavior".

[roadtrip75]

Originally Posted by DUNNDFRNT

Not evil just ignorant

Why is it ignorant to believe that that evolution is real and applies to humans? I think it's just common sense.

idk what do you call people who don't believe in science, are afraid of knowledge and hate intelligence.

liberals, Democrats, sociology professors, AIDS activists, etc

[DUNNDFRNT]

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

Why is it ignorant to believe that that evolution is real and applies to humans? I think it's just common sense.



liberals, Democrats, sociology professors, AIDS activists, etc

If we were to restrict knowledge to things that were common sense we all be still hunting and gathering. Out of curiosity, because I don't think I heard this one, I see liberals, democrats, but aids activists do you not believe in Aids, do you think it's a punishment, do you not believe in viruses in general so if I get the flu it's because i didn't go church. Sociology that's also odd, you are calling gay people dysfunctional, the fact the you think that homosexuality is dysfunctional is social construct, homosexuality has been around forever widely accepted, it has been in our recent history that social constructs were formed to think that is dysfunctional which you seen to think yet sociology not so much, it's bit odd.

[New Horizons]

Originally Posted by BucFan

Rays have no business getting involved w/ the gay marriage subject, do they? What the hell does baseball have to do with gay marriage. What's in it for them?

Maybe they want to support other pitchers and catchers.

[dothetwist]

Good for them! Probably did it because the NFL fumbled so badly on another social issue, domestic violence. And the NBA did the right thing too....firing that racist owner.

If people hold athletes up to their kids as role models, I think it's only right for the teams and leagues to take stands on important social issues, too.

[BucFan]

Originally Posted by dothetwist

Good for them! Probably did it because the NFL fumbled so badly on another social issue, domestic violence. And the NBA did the right thing too....firing that racist owner.

If people hold athletes up to their kids as role models, I think it's only right for the teams and leagues to take stands on important social issues, too.

As far as I know there's not a single MLBer who has come out - you know they're there (statistically).......until that happens, anything else is just a PR move.

[housingcrashsurvivor]

Originally Posted by New Horizons

Maybe they want to support other pitchers and catchers.

Or simply that a good man stepped up to the plate.

Cute reference but I wonder what are the sports analogies of the various sex positioning of heterosexuals (and I use the word in its cold, clinical sense). Or are the mechanics of heterosexuality simply not as interesting to everyone? Rhetorical question does not require answering.

[housingcrashsurvivor]

To whomever repped me with the comment "I read your post just cause I like Dylan... you got a lot a nerve... lol"

Oh I stuck up to bullies back in sleep away summer camp. And back in grade school I'd stop them from trying to harm anyone. I don't like nonsense; never put up with it. Mom taught me better.

I involved myself actively in the environmental movement even as a young teenager and I followed with fascination the Vietnam War protests but I was a little too young still to be involved outside of my conversations about it. I was too young for Woodstock but I certainly gave my parents a hard time about going to Watkins Glenn in 73 (they won) and then I first started protesting formally in 1975 right on the campus of USF where I had gone off to school, right here in Tampa. Particularly then we were protesting to bring down the Shaw of Iran. "I ran the Shaw down" we chanted.

All these years later and lots of fighting in between, I have not lost my nerve. I still fight the good fight. You're damned right; I got a lot of nerve.

[housingcrashsurvivor]

Originally Posted by dothetwist

Good for them! Probably did it because the NFL fumbled so badly on another social issue, domestic violence. And the NBA did the right thing too....firing that racist owner.

If people hold athletes up to their kids as role models, I think it's only right for the teams and leagues to take stands on important social issues, too.

That's actually a real interesting point and certainly not out of the realm of probabilities to consider that this announcement might have been made with prior blessing of league authority.

Regardless of its inception, it's nice to see such a historic American institution champion an inclusive future in support of its LGBT players, administrators, support staff and fans.

[housingcrashsurvivor]

Originally Posted by BucFan

As far as I know there's not a single MLBer who has come out - you know they're there (statistically).......until that happens, anything else is just a PR move.

If anyone thinks there are no gay or bi players, they're absolutely kidding themselves. I won't say how I know but I will offer up this guy who the world sadly lost to AIDS:

Glenn Burke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Glenn Lawrence Burke (November 16, 1952 – May 30, 1995) was a Major League Baseball (MLB) player for the Los Angeles Dodgers and Oakland Athletics from 1976 to 1979.
Burke was the first and only MLB player to come out as gay to teammates and team owners during his professional career and the first to publicly acknowledge it. He died from AIDS-related causes in 1995.

"They can't ever say now that a gay man can't play in the majors, because I'm a gay man and I made it."—Glenn Burke



He told The New York Times that "Prejudice drove me out of baseball sooner than I should have. But I wasn't changing". He wrote in his autobiography that "prejudice just won out." Burke left professional sports at the age of 27. He told People magazine in 1994 that his "mission as a gay ballplayer was to break a stereotype" and that he thought "it worked".

Seems there's work still left to be done.