08-17-2015, 10:25 AM
Location: Greater Orlampa CSA
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Seemed to me that Miami's attendance woes were greater than that of Tampa when I went to a game there. Unbelievably empty, even if attendance numbers don't show it. I think there are many factors at play, as other posters have said, NHL does well in Tampa.
08-17-2015, 11:42 AM
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Seemed to me that Miami's attendance woes were greater than that of Tampa when I went to a game there. Unbelievably empty, even if attendance numbers don't show it. I think there are many factors at play, as other posters have said, NHL does well in Tampa.
Except for maybe Detroit... where any modern, non-burned down dwelling is nice
08-17-2015, 11:47 AM
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As for the football comment, I think downtown NFL stadiums are a bad idea. Having prime real estate sit vacant 350+ days a year isn't a good deal for any city.
Seattle does it right. Their NFL stadium is right next to the MLB one in Downtown.
08-17-2015, 12:22 PM
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Seattle does it right. Their NFL stadium is right next to the MLB one in Downtown.
It was also built on top of a disused railroad yard which was a toxic mess, and commercial property and housing could not be built on it...
Sound familiar? The Trop was built on top of a superfund site (the former People's gas plant), which was a toxic mess when it closed in the 1980's... a lot of you transplants dont know that
So in these 2 cases, it is a case of trying to make use of otherwise completely unusable property...
I can give you SEVERAL other examples. Camden Yards in Baltimore was built on top of the B&O Railroad's "Camden Yard", the Cincinatti Reds stadium too, if I think hard, I can think of other examples
08-17-2015, 12:25 PM
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It was also built on top of a disused railroad yard which was a toxic mess, and commercial property and housing could not be built on it...
The NFL stadium is next to Camden Yards which is next to the convention center and Inner Harbor, the whole area is quite nice, and you cna take a light rail right from the airport for less than $2. I mean you cant walk 10 blocks away from that area without a bulletproof vest but you cant hit a home run every time.
08-17-2015, 12:28 PM
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The NFL stadium is next to Camden Yards which is next to the convention center and Inner Harbor, the whole area is quite nice, and you cna take a light rail right from the airport for less than $2. I mean you cant walk 10 blocks away from that area without a bulletproof vest but you cant hit a home run every time.
It is nice now... it was an industrial wasteland before the stadium was built... look it up...
My point is, that was a huge area that was so toxic, they could not build much on top of it, so in that case, a stadium was an excellent option. But in most downtown areas, quality, buildable real estate is very hard to come by, and putting something like a stadium on scarce real estate does not make much financial sense...
08-17-2015, 01:59 PM
Location: Wake County, NC
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Seattle does it right. Their NFL stadium is right next to the MLB one in Downtown.
Charlotte has their NFL, NBA, and minor league baseball stadiums downtown.
08-17-2015, 02:36 PM
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Charlotte has their NFL, NBA, and minor league baseball stadiums downtown.
Did not realize that. Pretty impressive.
08-17-2015, 05:24 PM
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Location is very important. My example is the Chicago Cubs. The stadium was built smack dab, inside a Chicago neighborhood. Most fans have always walked to the stadium from their homes. The above ground L-Train, next to Wrigley Field was built many years before the Cubs stadium was built. The L-Train has helped attendance for decades, but we don't have that here in Tampa Bay.
08-17-2015, 06:50 PM
Location: St Pete
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I think the biggest problems are that overall interest in baseball is declining and the fact that many people here are not locals so they are not attached to the Rays. When I lived in Atlanta, back in the 90s and 2000s, the Braves were drawing 30k every game and Turner Field is in a very bad neighborhood and very far from the fan base. There was nothing near the stadium at all and it was a PITA to get to especially with Atlanta traffic. The past few years, the attendance has dropped so like every other team, they are building a new stadium which of course the tax payers will pay for. Anyhow, I was at the Trop last week and I noticed that there were a lot of Braves Fans at the game. I suspect that at most games, there are a lot of fans from the visiting team. As far as dealing with the stadium itself, it does seem outdated but I think it could be refurbed rather then torn down. I don't think moving it 6 miles up the road to N. St. Pete or across the bay to Tampa would help. In reality, it only takes 5 min to get from Gandy to 175 / 375 even at 6:00 PM. I think the Rays marketing team needs to get their act together and try to make the Rays part of the local community and ownership needs to open their wallets and build a stronger team. I guarantee 14yrs in a row of winning the division will improve attendance!
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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