Can Tampa grow into a world-class city??? (Miami, Fort Lauderdale: place to live, move)

[gypsychic]

Originally Posted by UrbanGenious25

To be honest, if St. Pete get it's act together, (they already have the bones and layout for quality urban density) they can easily pass Tampa.

St. Pete has serious infrastructure issues. More than 40% is prone to flooding for one thing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNIMhYI3aEQ

It is on a built out peninsula, and also has problems with sewage. There are also issues with drinking water quality. Yet they keep building and building. They can't pass Tampa, but it could just become all one large area if they can address the issues.

[UrbanGenious25]

Originally Posted by gypsychic

St. Pete has serious infrastructure issues. More than 40% is prone to flooding for one thing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNIMhYI3aEQ

It is on a built out peninsula, and also has problems with sewage. There are also issues with drinking water quality. Yet they keep building and building. They can't pass Tampa, but it could just become all one large area if they can address the issues.

i can walk around downtown St Pete for the most part. Walking around downtown Tampa is torture.

[kbtoy7891]

Originally Posted by UrbanGenious25

i can walk around downtown St Pete for the most part. Walking around downtown Tampa is torture.

This I can certainly agree with.

[FL_Expert]

Originally Posted by gypsychic

St. Pete has serious infrastructure issues. More than 40% is prone to flooding for one thing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNIMhYI3aEQ

It is on a built out peninsula, and also has problems with sewage. There are also issues with drinking water quality. Yet they keep building and building. They can't pass Tampa, but it could just become all one large area if they can address the issues.

Poor schools and crime in St. Pete are probably bigger issues. I understand flooding is bad in Shore Acres but flooding is bad in a lot of cities.

[gypsychic]

Originally Posted by FL_Expert

Poor schools and crime in St. Pete are probably bigger issues. I understand flooding is bad in Shore Acres but flooding is bad in a lot of cities.

I agree, schools are bad and so is crime. Bug again the flooding is only part of the issue. They are now building HUGE condo towers turning St. Pete into another "playground for the rich" and yet the infrastructure is sorely lacking. With all the addition population coming, it is going to be a logistical nightmare.

Sewage problems, and this is not an isolated incident:

https://stpetecatalyst.com/city-offi...-leak-impacts/

St. Pete imports 100% of its drinking water! St. Pete is in a water use caution area.

https://www.stpete.org/residents/sus...tion/index.php

I do not know or understand how they can in good conscience be rubber stamping approval for all of these thousands of new condos. Being married to an architect who worked for government for many years makes me acutely aware of these type issues (and not just in St. Pete)

[FL_Expert]

Originally Posted by gypsychic

I agree, schools are bad and so is crime. Bug again the flooding is only part of the issue. They are now building HUGE condo towers turning St. Pete into another "playground for the rich" and yet the infrastructure is sorely lacking. With all the addition population coming, it is going to be a logistical nightmare.

Sewage problems, and this is not an isolated incident:

https://stpetecatalyst.com/city-offi...-leak-impacts/

St. Pete imports 100% of its drinking water! St. Pete is in a water use caution area.

https://www.stpete.org/residents/sus...tion/index.php

I do not know or understand how they can in good conscience be rubber stamping approval for all of these thousands of new condos. Being married to an architect who worked for government for many years makes me acutely aware of these type issues (and not just in St. Pete)

While they do import their water, this is actually one of the few smart things the city has done. They’ve always had a limited water supply so they had the foresight to purchase properties with springs in Hillsborough and Pasco that could serve as a source of fresh water in the future.

[saturno_v]

Originally Posted by UrbanGenious25

To be honest, if St. Pete get it's act together, (they already have the bones and layout for quality urban density) they can easily pass Tampa.

This section of the forum is about Tampa Bay metro area. By definition it includes St. Pete

The question is not if Tampa alone can become world class but the entire metro area.

[gypsychic]

No, the title of this thread is "Can Tampa grow into a world class city" It says nothing about the "metro area" and the boundaries of that are open to debate.

Anyway, the answer is no, not anytime soon. Miami is the only city in Florida with that distinction. I just read that it is now the #2 most desirable city in the world for global relocation, second to Dubai.

[saturno_v]

Originally Posted by gypsychic

No, the title of this thread is "Can Tampa grow into a world class city" It says nothing about the "metro area" and the boundaries of that are open to debate.

Anyway, the answer is no, not anytime soon. Miami is the only city in Florida with that distinction. I just read that it is now the #2 most desirable city in the world for global relocation, second to Dubai.

The boundaries of Tampa Metro area are not debatable, they include the cities of Tampa, St Petersburg and Clearwater (Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater Metropolitan Statistical Area or MSA for short).
What is debatable is to include Sarasota in the less restrictive demographical boundaries of the Tampa Bay area.

All the "World Class" cities are such in their entirety with their metropolitan area. for example, Sydney proper is a relatively small town. Same thing for San Francisco proper.

All these stats (most livable, most desirable, etc..) are mostly marketing BS.

In 2021 a global survey put Tampa ahead of Miami...go figure.....again, mostly BS.

[UrbanGenious25]

Originally Posted by saturno_v

The boundaries of Tampa Metro area are not debatable, they include the cities of Tampa, St Petersburg and Clearwater (Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater Metropolitan Statistical Area or MSA for short).
What is debatable is to include Sarasota in the less restrictive demographical boundaries of the Tampa Bay area.

All the "World Class" cities are such in their entirety with their metropolitan area. for example, Sydney proper is a relatively small town. Same thing for San Francisco proper.

All these stats (most livable, most desirable, etc..) are mostly marketing BS.

In 2021 a global survey put Tampa ahead of Miami...go figure.....again, mostly BS.

you're not going to include Fort Lauderdale when talking about Miami as a world class city, so no, you're wrong.