Can Tampa grow into a world-class city??? (Miami, Orlando: house, neighborhood)

[floridarebel]

Hopefully not. That wouldn't be good.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

Miami isn one of the densest major cities in the US, only behind NYC, SF, and Boston.

It's hemmed in by the sea and the Everglades. Tampa Bay has no such restrictions.
I'm old enough to remember 50 years hence when Miami was Paradise Reimagined and Tampa was commonly referred to as 'The Armpit of Florida'. But times do change. Tampa will continue to build east and north (if it can control the inevitable sinkholes that it will encounter), and Miami will eventually sink into the quagmire that it dredged up to build on in the first place. Time marches on.

[stephenMM]

If these Florida cities continue to "grow" in an unregulated manner (the state of Florida has yet to meet a developer it didn't love), no one will want to move there because everything that Florida is known for will be destroyed. You can't just keep putting more and more people and more and more buildings and highways and concrete into a finite amount of land w/o having an ecological disaster.

Florida is not the Southwest desert, there is no "there" there to keep expanding into. What do people think will happen when cities start to encroach on land that already has trouble draining? Tampa/St Pete is already becoming a nightmare of rampant and unchecked development. There's way too much traffic on roads that were never designed for this many people.

I know, I left St Pete some years ago because it was just too horrible to watch these carpetbagging developers come in and create problems, then leave things for someone else to deal with.

[engineman]

Miami is better located to be the financial and commercial capitol of the Caribbean and central America.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by floridarebel

Hopefully not. That wouldn't be good.

Are you implying that you want Miami to lose population and lose it's status as one of America's dense major cities???

Originally Posted by Iconographer

It's hemmed in by the sea and the Everglades. Tampa Bay has no such restrictions.
I'm old enough to remember 50 years hence when Miami was Paradise Reimagined and Tampa was commonly referred to as 'The Armpit of Florida'. But times do change. Tampa will continue to build east and north (if it can control the inevitable sinkholes that it will encounter), and Miami will eventually sink into the quagmire that it dredged up to build on in the first place. Time marches on.

As a result of being wedged between The Atlantic Ocean and the Everglades, it has no choice but to build up. Tampa doesn't really have the problem with flooding that Miami doesn't have, and Tampa has over 100 sq. ft. of land compared to Miami's 36, but Miami has utilized each sq. mi. of land for high density because it needs to, not because it wants to. And it has the state's only heavy rail mass transit system (Metrorail) and the state's only publicly funded automated system (Metromover). Tampa has no such system yet.

Tampa can learn how to densify certain areas of the city such as Ybor City, Gas Worx, and West Tampa. Miami won't sink into the ocean, as long as structural and environmental engineers can figure out how to keep Miami above water, which is not a hard task, as well as greatly expand the water and sewage capacity within South FL and FL in general!

Originally Posted by stephenMM

If these Florida cities continue to "grow" in an unregulated manner (the state of Florida has yet to meet a developer it didn't love), no one will want to move there because everything that Florida is known for will be destroyed. You can't just keep putting more and more people and more and more buildings and highways and concrete into a finite amount of land w/o having an ecological disaster.

Florida is not the Southwest desert, there is no "there" there to keep expanding into. What do people think will happen when cities start to encroach on land that already has trouble draining? Tampa/St Pete is already becoming a nightmare of rampant and unchecked development. There's way too much traffic on roads that were never designed for this many people.

I know, I left St Pete some years ago because it was just too horrible to watch these carpetbagging developers come in and create problems, then leave things for someone else to deal with.

The only cities that seem to grow unregulated seems to be Orlando and especially Jville. Tampa has some urban neighborhoods that are fairly dense, and Miami, Ft Lauderdale, and WPB have some dense neighborhoods. Cities do not need to gobble up any more land just to create livable communities, I'd rather live close to a wetland like the Everglades than live dead center in a desert like Phoenix, which has no reason for existing other than being one big retirement center for people from CA and IL.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

Tampa can learn how to densify certain areas of the city such as Ybor City, Gas Worx, and West Tampa. Miami won't sink into the ocean, as long as structural and environmental engineers can figure out how to keep Miami above water, which is not a hard task, as well as greatly expand the water and sewage capacity within South FL and FL in general!

Ah, say what?

New Orleans and Venice can breathe a sigh of relief.

[floridarebel]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

Are you implying that you want Miami to lose population and lose it's status as one of America's dense major cities???

Yes actually. Global warming and sea level rise, if real, will take care of that anyway.

[bmw335xi]

I don't think so because there is no catalyst for it to become a world class city.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by floridarebel

Yes actually. Global warming and sea level rise, if real, will take care of that anyway.

Then let's include Tampa, St Pete and Jville into the mix since those cities are close to the water, as well as other cities along the coast such as DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, Boston, NO, Houston, LA, and SF. I guess those cities won't last for another 100 years, and NYC has been flooding with much worse prognostications for the past decade.

[floridarebel]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

Then let's include Tampa, St Pete and Jville into the mix since those cities are close to the water, as well as other cities along the coast such as DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, Boston, NO, Houston, LA, and SF. I guess those cities won't last for another 100 years, and NYC has been flooding with much worse prognostications for the past decade.

Tampa, St. Pete and Jax are higher elevated than Miami and southeast Florida. The flooding thing might be true for certain areas of Pinellas county considering it's surrounded by water.