Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education > Teaching
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 03-01-2009, 04:08 PM
 
272 posts, read 730,298 times
Reputation: 119

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eeeee22895 View Post
Simple. Kids, if presented basic economics facts will always choose conservatism on their own. That's the last thing a bunch of union teachers want.
Ridiculous. You're not really talking about economics but about politics instead, and that is always taught.

 
Old 03-01-2009, 06:17 PM
 
1,336 posts, read 1,532,100 times
Reputation: 202
Quote:
Originally Posted by swampwolf View Post
Ridiculous. You're not really talking about economics but about politics instead, and that is always taught.
You don't think economics and politics intersect? You must be an Obama voter.
 
Old 03-01-2009, 06:21 PM
 
1,336 posts, read 1,532,100 times
Reputation: 202
Quote:
Originally Posted by HIF View Post
I was looking forward to this thread when I read the title. After reading the OP, I think it should be moved to P & C.

If the thread was true to it's title, I would respond:

Schools should teach kids how to think, not what to think.
This topic crosses into both education and politics. It's also posted in P & C by a slightly different title. Feel free to go there and respond.

In my lesson examples, I didn't tell them what to think. I present scenarios and ask the students to decide for themselves.
 
Old 03-02-2009, 08:42 AM
 
272 posts, read 730,298 times
Reputation: 119
Exactly.
 
Old 03-02-2009, 09:29 AM
 
Location: SE Florida
9,367 posts, read 25,212,237 times
Reputation: 9454
This thread violates TOS.

Do not post the same message to multiple forums, this is cross-posting and multiple posts will be removed.

Copyrighted Material - Instead of copying-and-pasting articles, photos, or other material you find on the Internet, you should be posting links to those articles. Posting a snippet from the article and then the link is the appropriate way to post.
 
Old 03-02-2009, 12:46 PM
 
1,336 posts, read 1,532,100 times
Reputation: 202
Quote:
Originally Posted by HIF View Post
This thread violates TOS.

Do not post the same message to multiple forums, this is cross-posting and multiple posts will be removed.

Copyrighted Material - Instead of copying-and-pasting articles, photos, or other material you find on the Internet, you should be posting links to those articles. Posting a snippet from the article and then the link is the appropriate way to post.
The title was different. Ergo, the messages were not exactly the same.
 
Old 03-02-2009, 12:49 PM
 
1,336 posts, read 1,532,100 times
Reputation: 202
Quote:
Originally Posted by HIF View Post
That article is not the source of my post.
 
Old 03-02-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
5,944 posts, read 5,583,949 times
Reputation: 2606
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eeeee22895 View Post
I say it's economics and what the political parties are really about. If every child were taught something about spending within your means, America wouldn't be putting up with these horrendous giveaways and pork barrel spending we are seeing the past month from the Obama administration.

Children should be taught the basics of national economics. Corporations are NOT evil; they are the very backbone of our economic system. We should teach kids that corporations invest capital, provide innovations, make necessary goods and services, and create jobs. Government does none of these.

Children should be taught to challenge the notion that high achievers should be punished by being disporportionally taxed. Kids have an instinctive understanding of fairness. Try this exercise. Ask the students how they would like to study two hours every night, do extra credit projects, and stay after school for homework help while their classmates go home and do nothing but watch TV and play video games while eating chips and drinking soda, THEN have the lazy classmates receive the better grade? That's basically what's going on with the bailout of people facing foreclosure.

Along the same vein of fairness here's another game: Child A and Child B are running for class president. Child A promises the class that he will pay each a dollar if they vote for him. Child B just promises to work hard if elected, and pledges to try to get the whole class to work harder in school. Child A then steals a $20 bill from Child B, gives a dollar to each class member and keeps the rest for himself. Child A then tells the class how generous he is for giving them money and how Child B is selfish for not wanting to give. Yet it was Child B's money all along. The poorest kids elect Child A, because they wanted the money and didn't want to have to work hard. Child A wins.

Ask the students if they think the above scenarios were fair. Then explain to them that is exactly how the two political parties operate.

Here's a final exercise:

Two people each started a business. Person A spent money very carefully. He saved what he could then bought supplies for his business only when he had enough money. He worked hard, figured out how to draw new customers, served the customers well, and earned money. He then invested that money and opened three other stores, hired a lot of people who worked hard and satisfied the customers.

Person B didn't save enough money to buy a business but he lied about his income and fooled a bank into loaning him that money. He didn't work hard, didn't serve his customers, and didn't invest his money. Instead, he lavished his money on friends and on people who helped him lie to the bank to get money. When his business started to falter, he made up more lies, fooled more banks, and borrowed more money. Finally, he told the banks he wasn't going to pay them anymore, closed the business, and the few workers he had lost their jobs.

Teachers, you don't even have to mention political parties. You don't have to. Just tell them those things are really happening with the two political parties. Appeal to their sense of fairness, and encourage them to develop the political philosophy of their own choosing. If generations of American kids were taught wonderful lessons like this every day in class, our nation would be much more prosperous, there wouldn't be as much dependency, and above all, we wouldn't be electing the folks who caused our current economic problems to "solve" the problem.

Practice what you preach. Become a teacher!
 
Old 03-02-2009, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
3,007 posts, read 6,287,688 times
Reputation: 3310
The best thing(s)? Critical thinking, logic, reasoning, and the ability to move seamlessly between micro and macro scenarios...
 
Old 03-02-2009, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
11,446 posts, read 16,185,973 times
Reputation: 6958
EEEEEEEEE,
Even simple economics is much too complicated for many people. Obviously, not enough understand the basic concept that if one earns 4 apples per month, he can't spend 5 apples per month without eventually encountering problems.
One other thing - do you think business functions on fairness?
I doubt this very much. Our nation's religion is capitalism, worship it (greed is the ultimate motive), and make as much money as possible, by whatever means possible (including shady deals of all kinds). The main thing is to have highly effective lawyers that can discover loop-holes, and invent various other strategies to stay one step ahead of the law.
We live not in a society of fairness, but the rules are:
1. The ends justify the means.
2. Might makes right.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.



All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top