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Thanks. I'd list it if asked. That's why, eventually, I'll decertify to get rid of it all together. That's tricky though because as long as I'm in my current job, I need the cert. Once I get a general science cert, I can drop the chemistry cert because I can teach chemistry on a general science cert but that's three years off. I may be broke by then.
Not sure I have heard of people asking to have their certification removed. Be very careful doing that as I am not sure that many states have a process for doing that and it could end up looking like you had it revoked. Be careful and meticulous and make sure you know how it would be handled and recorded.
Just because she has a Chem certification doesn't mean it will be held against her once she gets the General Science certification. She isn't getting paid based on the number of certifications so what is the issue. Her problem now is the lack of the desired certification and not having unneeded certifications. At least it appears that way to me.
Not sure I have heard of people asking to have their certification removed. Be very careful doing that as I am not sure that many states have a process for doing that and it could it up looking like you had it revoked. Be careful and meticulous and make sure you know how it would be handled and recorded.
I'd be up front about what I did. With the DI's able to teach chemistry, the DC is a worthless certification. Unfortunately, it's what everyone sees on my resume. It eclipses my EX which is my useful certification.
Every time I interview for a math position, I get told "You'd make a great science teacher". But no one will hire a DC to teach science because chemistry is ALL you can teach on a DC. On a DI you can teach chemistry and everything else. It's weird. The DC is the harder cert to get and considered the more "highly qualified" but no one wants it. It needs to go.
Thanks for the warning. I'll make sure I get something from the state indicating that I chose to decertify. I doubt there'd be an issue with people thinking was revoked though. Wouldn't the state revoke my entire cert if they were revoking it?
It would have been really nice if the university had informed me of which certs schools actually want BEFORE I got my certs. They made it sound like you go for anything you can get and that the single subject certs were the more "highly qualified" certs. Unfortunately, when you're new to this, you may not recognize bad advice when you get it.
I'd be up front about what I did. With the DI's able to teach chemistry, the DC is a worthless certification. Unfortunately, it's what everyone sees on my resume. It eclipses my EX which is my useful certification.
Every time I interview for a math position, I get told "You'd make a great science teacher". But no one will hire a DC to teach science because chemistry is ALL you can teach on a DC. On a DI you can teach chemistry and everything else. It's weird. The DC is the harder cert to get and considered the more "highly qualified" but no one wants it. It needs to go.
Thanks for the warning. I'll make sure I get something from the state indicating that I chose to decertify. I doubt there'd be an issue with people thinking was revoked though. Wouldn't the state revoke my entire cert if they were revoking it?
It would have been really nice if the university had informed me of which certs schools actually want BEFORE I got my certs. They made it sound like you go for anything you can get and that the single subject certs were the more "highly qualified" certs. Unfortunately, when you're new to this, you may not recognize bad advice when you get it.
You are kidding aren't you? Have you ever dealt with the certification department in many states at the state level? Oh yeah with furloughs and layoffs they will be real attentive to detail and making sure your unusual request is handled the way you want. Will their software even have a code for it? Is your history with certification related topics one of clear concise/acccurate answers with timely responses and detailed appropriate follow up as expected?
You are kidding aren't you? Have you ever dealt with the certification department in many states at the state level? Oh yeah with furloughs and layoffs they will be real attentive to detail and making sure your unusual request is handled the way you want. Will their software even have a code for it? Is your history with certification related topics one of clear concise/acccurate answers with timely responses and detailed appropriate follow up as expected?
Seeing as it's the government, I figure it's going to take a while to accomplish and probably a few trips to the the department of education. The fact it's an unusual request will probably help. It's unusual enough that it will have to be seen to individually. There won't be a code for it. The question is what will it cost me?
I'd be up front about what I did. With the DI's able to teach chemistry, the DC is a worthless certification. Unfortunately, it's what everyone sees on my resume. It eclipses my EX which is my useful certification.
Every time I interview for a math position, I get told "You'd make a great science teacher". But no one will hire a DC to teach science because chemistry is ALL you can teach on a DC. On a DI you can teach chemistry and everything else. It's weird. The DC is the harder cert to get and considered the more "highly qualified" but no one wants it. It needs to go.
Thanks for the warning. I'll make sure I get something from the state indicating that I chose to decertify. I doubt there'd be an issue with people thinking was revoked though. Wouldn't the state revoke my entire cert if they were revoking it?
It would have been really nice if the university had informed me of which certs schools actually want BEFORE I got my certs. They made it sound like you go for anything you can get and that the single subject certs were the more "highly qualified" certs. Unfortunately, when you're new to this, you may not recognize bad advice when you get it.
In a perfect universe you would think that shutting down one certification would not be confused with revocation but I have never heard of anyone wanting to rescind a certification and not sure they would know how to handle if their isn't a code for voluntary suspension.
Seeing as it's the government, I figure it's going to take a while to accomplish and probably a few trips to the the department of education. The fact it's an unusual request will probably help. It's unusual enough that it will have to be seen to individually. There won't be a code for it. The question is what will it cost me?
I would suggest that you try to make an appointment with one of the state certification specialist. That might be impossible as they probably have a limited number as in limited number. These folks are verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry busy and with state cuts probably even busierrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. At least if you try making and appointment you will know if that is possible and how long it takes. Did you say you were in Michigan?
I would suggest that you try to make an appointment with one of the state certification specialist. That might be impossible as they probably have a limited number as in limited number. These folks are verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry busy and with state cuts probably even busierrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. At least if you try making and appointment you will know if that is possible and how long it takes. Did you say you were in Michigan?
Well, they answered my email within hours. They said my email has generated a lot of discussion in the department of education. I think my biggest hurdle will be them trying to talk me out of dropping what they consider to be a high certification. Mine is the cert the state wants in the chemistry classroom. It's just not the one the schools, who actually hire teachers, want .
I can see their point. You can do anything you want with a person who holds a DI wheras I can only teach chemistry, physics and physical science. If you only need someone to teach two chemistry courses and two physics courses and you have a 7 class day, the DI is the ticket because they can teach biology or earth science or astronomy or integrated science or....to round out a schedule. I understand what the problem is very clearly. Fixing it is the difficult part. If I have to do a letter writing campaign to the govenor, I will get this fixed. I can't stay in teaching if I don't. Odds are very slim of my finding a teaching position with reasonable pay and benefits if I don't.
Well, they answered my email within hours. They said my email has generated a lot of discussion in the department of education. I think my biggest hurdle will be them trying to talk me out of dropping what they consider to be a high certification. Mine is the cert the state wants in the chemistry classroom. It's just not the one the schools, who actually hire teachers, want .
I can see their point. You can do anything you want with a person who holds a DI wheras I can only teach chemistry, physics and physical science. If you only need someone to teach two chemistry courses and two physics courses and you have a 7 class day, the DI is the ticket because they can teach biology or earth science or astronomy or integrated science or....to round out a schedule. I understand what the problem is very clearly. Fixing it is the difficult part. If I have to do a letter writing campaign to the govenor, I will get this fixed. I can't stay in teaching if I don't. Odds are very slim of my finding a teaching position with reasonable pay and benefits if I don't.
A word of advice. Don't put the fact that you went to the Governor to get your way on your resume. Some Principals might not see that as a plus in a new hire.
A word of advice. Don't put the fact that you went to the Governor to get your way on your resume. Some Principals might not see that as a plus in a new hire.
Yeah, assertiveness is not a desired quality in a teacher. I've already figured that one out. I'm not sure they even want us making suggestions but, if we do, they just want us to state our case and go away.
No I wouldn't put this on a resume or even tell anyone in an interview. The only reason I'd go that high is the state is sending the wrong message. They are not pushing the kind of certs that schools actually hire. Either do something to encourage schools to hire the certs you want or quit pushing them.
If you ask the state, I have the right certs. If you ask the HR manager in your average district, I have the wrong certs. Unfortunately, prior to becomming a teacher and trying to find a job as one, I was getting my information from the state and the university. I didn't know any HR managers and the teachers I know all thought like I did that mine were the right certs. 8 or so years ago when the state first started talking about increasing requirements, they actually were but since they backed off on that, they're not. Yeah, I'd go pretty high to make sure this message is heard but it won't be to blow my own horn. It will be to make sure the next person doesn't end up where I am.
I'll go as high as I have to to get the job done but that's all I'm after. I just want it done.
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