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This is just so sad and is so mind boggling that this could happen here in the US.
Talk about a break down in the systems!
I do have to say I do see a difference in what is happening here in TN verses boarder states. Yes, we have immigration issues, looks like every state does, but we don't seem to have the drug and gang issues like the boarder states. At the very least I hope that issue does stay away, we have enough drug issues with Meth and prescription drug abuse as it is and trying to clean that up.
I think we do. The media just doesn't identify the criminals as illegal aliens. I know my Oak Ridge newspaper doesn't but then my newspaper only reports on arrests, not how the judges/juries decide or the sentences so if the issue of their illegal status comes up in court, who would know?
And the primary problem in my town is crack cocaine, not meth according to the police (just this past week). While the county is more meth oriented, Oak Ridge's problems are primarily crack cocaine related...which is not necessarily tied to the illegal immigration issue.
I'm telling you, the candidates can blah, blah, blah all they want, but I'm voting for the guys who are stongest on keeping taxes low and strongest on crime issues, and the latter definitely includes (but is not limited to) illegal immigration which is a crime in itself.
Let's reread that article without jumping to conclusions.
I think that we are reading more into this article than what it says. Many are coming to the conclusion that this is a crime committed by illegal aliens. Actually, only 3 of the 7 people named in the article had Hispanic last names. It is so easy to generalize and make broad conclusions when there is little basis for it.
Most Hispanics, legal and illegal, are at the lower end of the economic spectrum; they tend to live in the poorer areas of cities and towns. These core areas have been shown to breed crime.
It is true that entering the country illegally is a crime in itself. This is the criminal act that we should focus on, not that the crime rate has increased as a result of illegal aliens. There is nothing in the article to support that.
The fact that illegal aliens cost taxpayers money on schools, healthcare, and prison expenses for illegal criminals, also, does not imply that the tax burden on TN or any other state is the result of "increased crime by illegals". Just that we should not be paying for these expenses on jails, schooling, and health-care for non-citizens.
Here in Gainesville, GA 53% of the city population is Hispanic. Most of them have entered the US legally and are hard-working, appreciative additions to our town society. But, 53% of the crime in Gainesville is not perpatrated by Hispanics or illegals.
Most of the immigrants who live in the small, dilapidated homes in town live under poor conditions because a large portion of the honest wage that they make is used to support family members who are still in their home country. These people miss their home countries, but care so much about the health and welfare of their children and loved ones that they live apart from them to support them. Particularly in Mexico and Central America, these people live under harsh, corrupt governments if not on a national level, then on a local level. They are striving for the rights every human on earth deserves and the ones that most of our ancestors immigrated to America to acquire.
I have taught the children of many of these immigrants, and I assure you that each and every child and their parents are so grateful that their child is gaining a chance for a decent life. These are people who are here legally!! They deserve every service they receive. But, unfortunately they walk down the street and are instantly given looks of disapproval as though they have done something wrong. We CANNOT lump every Hispanic person into the big bucket of illegals. How do you know who is and who isn't? Who are we to judge a person's character, motives, and status?
There are many, many illegals entering the US everyday. They should not receive the benefits of our healthcare, food stamps, and schools. But, do not assume that they are all illegal or that they are the cause of all of the country's woes. The Hispanic citizens often become our most vulnerable victims.
I'm sorry for all of you who have suffered criminal assaults on your property or person by a criminal of any ethnic background, but country of origin has nothing to do with the crime.
We had had a drug bust here last week go down just down the road from my house by local and federal Agents,I picked it up the my scanner and watched the bust go down. Six of the Seven people arrested were later identified as illegals.
They also busted two members of a interstate theft ring for stealing "baby formula" from Wal Mart stores. Drugs and crime here are more wide spread than most people know about because most arrest never make the news on TV.
articles on these two bust.
Southern Standard (http://www.southernstandard.net/mod/pubext/index.php?viewDay=2007-11-06 - broken link)
another article on the bust.
Southern Standard (http://www.southernstandard.net/mod/pubext/index.php?viewDay=2007-11-03 - broken link)
Why punish good people because of the actions of the bad?
It is a big problem with the drugs. And, much of it is the result of illegal aliens who are dealing, transporting, and supplying big time.
The first point that I wish to make is that not all illegals are in this country as gangsters, but are trying to make a living for themselves and their families.
The second, and most important point, is that there is so much dislike for anyone who speaks Spanish in this country and many if not most of these Hispanic people are law-abiding, honest American citizens.
Just as we read and hear about the resentment that some native Tennesseeans have for Floridians, New Yorkers, Californians, Someplace Elsians for invading and destroying their lovely state, we hear the same rhetoric about Hispanics. It is not right to generalize and condemn a group of individuals whether they are from Mexico, Columbia, Florida or Ohio. There are lousy individuals from every state, country, ethnic group and religion.
Let's just try to agree not to attack a group of people because of their language, color of their skin or beliefs. I know I want to have the same privilege extended to me and I am sure that people on this forum feel that they do, as well.
I know quite a few people from FL, PA, MI, CA and Latin countries that I am very proud to know. I don't want to see any of them maligned for the miconduct of someone else.
Let's stop the illegals from entering the country. Let's protect our citizenry from the drugs, crime and havoc that they often bring in with them. But, let us not look our noses down at Hispanics as a whole or any group because of the actions of illegals, whether they are Russian, Korean, or Hispanic.
This is not a Latino problem; it is a criminal problem.
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Remember that these people have no right's no matter what some judge say's..
He does not make the law's...At election time vote the bum's out who approve this
spending...American's do not have to care for , educate , or anything else for these
people...Why are the teacher's teaching these children in the school's? If it is not
life threatening why are the doctor's caring for these people???Turn them away like
they do American's in many case's that have been put on some of these forum's as
example's...
All of you people that know that this is happening and know that these people are
truly illigal and you do not turn them in and insist that they be removed are going
to keep on paying and whose fault is it??
As American's we do what we feel is right and a christian act as well as a act of
compassion and understanding and in return all we get is more disrespect towards
us as well as our countries law's,,that you and I respect and act to accordingly..
It is time for the people of America on a local level to handle this problem before
we end up in a bankrupt postion and our own are on the street's ..
Violence is not needed ,,just stop with all of the free handout's. Ignore them
where ever you go,, turn them into the police and the proper authorities and insist
that they be removed..To many on one dwelling??call the health department for their
own good as well as your own.. The saying say's do something even if it is wrong..
Just debating the issue over and over sound's like a bunch of politians...
CITIGIRL,,,tell them how you do it where you live....
Many of "these people" have all the rights that we have.
You know, Love the USA, I don't mean any disrespect and I appreciate that you have a strong passion in this sad situation, but the attitude that you are proposing will definitely hurt some of those who are here legally and are USA loving citizens.
As a teacher we have to document the children who are admitted to our schools very carefully. They must have birth certificates, innoculation records, parents' green cards or citizenship papers. Otherwise, these children are not accepted in the public classrooms. Not only is it a problem with taxpayers vehemently opposing supporting the education of illegals' children, but it is against the law and a school risks losing all of its state and federal funding. But, there is little that can be done if the papers are not legitimate. Once proof is provided that the parents are not in the country illegally, a school district must turn the child away.
"These people" are family and community oriented. They are accustomed to living in extended family homes with perhaps 8 - 10 people living in one house and all sharing the bills. Do you call the Dept. of Health for a family who has 7 children, plus taking care of grandma and grandpop in their later years? Now, you have a white, American born family of 11 in one house. Do you only call the authorities if the family is "these people"?
The problem with the blanket hysteria is that it does harm innocent legal aliens and citizens. There are those who will throw insults at Hispanics because they are speaking Spanish to one another in public. They may be citizens and may pay higher taxes than you or I. Why must they be demeaned. Too many people assume that the Latinos they see out and about are taking something from them, and that is the danger.
I had one young fella, Luis, in my 4th grade class who had been living in the US legally for 2 years. He had a strong Spanish accent and was having difficulty reading because he was unable to duplicate some of the English sounds. (This is a physiological phenomenon because our tongues, soft palates, and other mouth structures form to accomodate our particular language. Therefore, it is very difficult for Orientals to say the "l" as we say it. They do not have a comparable sound in their language, thus the mouth structures do not form during growth to speak this sound. Anyhow...). I was trying to help Luis form the letter sounds correctly as I was teaching his reading. I explained to him that it wasn't his fault, he just had an accent that made it difficult to reproduce certain sounds. He claimed he had no accent, that he didn't know Spanish, and that he was born in the US. He was afraid. He has been taught not to let others know that he is foreign born for fear that this little 9 year old child, who has every right to be in school, might be harmed by someone who looked at all Hispanics as illegal aliens. Very sad, indeed.
We must protect the rights of the innocent no matter what their color, race, or language of choice. If they are a citizen they must not be made to put up a defense for themselves. It is better to error on the side of helping an alien than to purposely harm a US citizen - especially a child.
Be sure that the Christian values that we sometimes wear on our sleeves are the values we hold dear in our hearts.
I guess I am not making my point very clear. This isn't your fault; I tend to blather on and on.
Yes, absolutely, illegal entry into any country is against the law and violaters should be apprehended and deported - post haste!
But, to single out a group of people, namely Hispanics, and look at them all with "that look", is unfair, unChristian, and inhumane! As a group, immigrants are not law breakers, they are not illegals, they are not criminals, they are human beings just like my grandparents and yours who wanted a better life for their families and immigrated to the Great USA.
Deal with the illegals from all countries, deal with the drug-pushers from all countries, just don't assume that because a person has a Spanish accent he/she is a free-loader or an illegal alien. That person is probably doing the humblest of jobs and working harder than we will ever have to just to make a good decent life for his family.
People, in general, make assumptions about a person's integrity, honesty and right to exist here in the US based on nationality. This is not right. It has nothing to do with being an illegal alien.
The Knox News ran a story about the arrest of 8 people (3 of whom we can assume are Hispanic by their names), the other 5 had non-Hispanic names. The gang they were in was the Black Gangster Disciples, which gives no indication of nationalities and doesn't even necessarily imply a race of people. But, the conclusions drawn on the forum have been "those people" are illegal aliens and they are the cause of the increase of crime, etc. The article did not say that and it is wrong to assume that and pass judgment.
I think that is pretty clear. If I am wrong, please point it out to me in the article.
But, to single out a group of people, namely Hispanics, and look at them all with "that look", is unfair, unChristian, and inhumane! As a group, immigrants are not law breakers, they are not illegals, they are not criminals, they are human beings just like my grandparents and yours who wanted a better life for their families and immigrated to the Great USA.
Yes, except my great grandparents came here legally. A whole different scenario and issue.
My background? Our family name was Anjel. Angel now because they were asked to spell it in ENGLISH. They did willingly. It still means Angel no matter the spelling. My uncles were in WWII. My dad Asiatic Pacific and my uncle fought what could have been my cousin etc in Europe. My family fought for the USA and fought to be in the USA and it's freedoms. It's sickening that someone can walk across a border and have people or expect people to hand them everything on a silver platter. How many illegals do you think are getting welfare? I can tell you LOADS! How many identities have been stolen? Alive or dead Americans. The reason people say Hispanic, is the % of hispanics doing this far outweighs any other nationality.
The count of Americans murdered by illegal aliens, 48,000 since 9/11.
YouTube - Crime Victims Of Illegal Aliens
Check the legal statistics instead of You-Tube statistics. It's going up everyday. This at least shows you the faces of people that sure do wish our borders were closed and our government cared just a little.
I have nothing against anyone coming here legally. No matter what their religon is or where they come from. There is a difference in Immigrants and Illegal Aliens.
Heritage has nothing to do with crime. Illegals are criminals, plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by Starwalker Fallen Angel
Yes, except my great grandparents came here legally. A whole different scenario and issue.
Starwalker, that is the point that I am trying to make. A whole culture is being discriminated against because of some illegal aliens.
Illegal entry into this country should be stopped - and now! It is important for the welfare of the country to stop illegals from entering the country.
My point is: DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ALL HISPANICS AND ASSUME THAT THEY ARE ALL ILLEGALS. The Hispanic families you see shopping at Wal-Mart are most probably here legally and are tax paying citizens. There should be not termed as "those people".
We have American citizens of Latin ancestory who are being discriminated against because of their heritage. We have fine young men with the last name of Garcia, Marques, Rodriques serving in Iraq with great honor and love for their country - USA. Will they be looked at as probable illegals when they return stateside. Probably.
Sad, sad that we cannot look at crime as a societal problem and not a racial or cultural one. Germans in this country commit crimes, Irish commit crimes, Japanese commit crimes and Americans commit crimes. Do we criticize the nationality as a whole as being criminal? I don't think so.
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Let's reread that article without jumping to conclusions.
Ice Raid
Many of "these people" have all the rights that we have.
I'm sorry, Starwalker, but that is not the point.
There is a difference in Immigrants and Illegal Aliens.
