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Old 01-06-2020, 09:56 PM
 
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Surprised this hadn't been the subject if it's own thread yet. With Gigafactory 3 coming online in Shanghai, China, as the year end, plans for the next one are developing.

Gigafactory 4 will be built just outside of Berlin. Musk and German officials announced it November 12th. Musk says #4 will build batteries, powertrains and vehicles. This is like #3 (China) and not like #1 (Reno) that only does batteries.

Also interesting that the Model Y is the car they are starting with, not the Model 3. Also interesting that recent planning documents referred to Model Y, Model 3 and "future models". Is that a placeholder or is that some indication of something new coming? Time will tell.

They are also planning to eventually produce 500,000 vehicles a year.

The timeline says they will start producing in 18 months. That's not much slower than the #3 which took about 11, and was considered crazy fast. A lot of people familiar with German bureaucracy think that is an optimistic timeline.
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Old 01-06-2020, 10:37 PM
 
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Surprised this hadn't been the subject if it's own thread yet. With Gigafactory 3 coming online in Shanghai, China, as the year end, plans for the next one are developing.

Gigafactory 4 will be built just outside of Berlin. Musk and German officials announced it November 12th. Musk says #4 will build batteries, powertrains and vehicles. This is like #3 (China) and not like #1 (Reno) that only does batteries.

Also interesting that the Model Y is the car they are starting with, not the Model 3. Also interesting that recent planning documents referred to Model Y, Model 3 and "future models". Is that a placeholder or is that some indication of something new coming? Time will tell.

They are also planning to eventually produce 500,000 vehicles a year.

The timeline says they will start producing in 18 months. That's not much slower than the #3 which took about 11, and was considered crazy fast. A lot of people familiar with German bureaucracy think that is an optimistic timeline.
I would say 18 months is crazy fast for anyplace outside of China.
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Old 01-07-2020, 05:28 PM
 
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I would say 18 months is crazy fast for anyplace outside of China.
I don't know specifically what to expect, but yes, from what I've read about Germany, the cultural disposition to fine details, the regulatory environment and the resulting red tape are significantly higher than in China. So as you're pointing to, I'd expect it to take significantly longer than the just-completed plant in Shanghai. It's a high visibility project and Germany clearly wants the factory, and maybe that will help some in reducing inordinate bureaucratic burdens.
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:22 PM
 
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Two items I read this week about Giga 4. First, they've hit a snag because of endangered bats in the forest they want to cut down. (it's not a natural forest, it's a tree farm). First thought is "here we go"...... (delays)

Second FCA (Fiat Chrysler) is paying Tesla enough to "pool" EV resources in EU in 2019 and 2020 that FCA is essentially paying for the factory. The way it works is that the EU would have fined FCA a huge amount because they didn't sell enough EVs in Europe. To avoid (lessen) those fines, FCA can pool resources with Tesla (who sells 0 polluting cars). Tesla gets a BUNCH of cash, FCA pays less overall.

It's enough to pay for the factory.
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Old 01-12-2020, 06:22 PM
 
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The factory in China is up and running? I saw PR photos and a press release, no pictures of the assembly lines...
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Old 01-12-2020, 07:22 PM
 
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The factory in China is up and running? I saw PR photos and a press release, no pictures of the assembly lines...
Yep, see e.g.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/06...i-gigafactory/
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:31 PM
 
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The factory in China is up and running? I saw PR photos and a press release, no pictures of the assembly lines...
It's a Potemkin Village.
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Old 01-13-2020, 03:38 PM
 
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China is said to be producing 1,000 a week.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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Two items I read this week about Giga 4. First, they've hit a snag because of endangered bats in the forest they want to cut down. (it's not a natural forest, it's a tree farm). First thought is "here we go"...... (delays)

Second FCA (Fiat Chrysler) is paying Tesla enough to "pool" EV resources in EU in 2019 and 2020 that FCA is essentially paying for the factory. The way it works is that the EU would have fined FCA a huge amount because they didn't sell enough EVs in Europe. To avoid (lessen) those fines, FCA can pool resources with Tesla (who sells 0 polluting cars). Tesla gets a BUNCH of cash, FCA pays less overall.

It's enough to pay for the factory.
Wait, what? Fiat-Chrysler is underselling EVs in Europe, and the penalties for doing so are stout enough that they it will benefit them financially to contribute to the new German Tesla plant... contribute so much that they in effect pay for the plant??? As much as I am pro-EV, I am also pro-business, and those sound like some mighty stout "incentives"! Ease up, EU, have mercy!
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Old 01-13-2020, 05:50 PM
 
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It's a Potemkin Village.
Paulo, is that you?
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