Boy that Texas Corporate Welfare Fund sure is money well spent! (merged threads) (school, live)

[orbius]

Originally Posted by Rakin

The private sector left to the laws of supply and demand with minimum Govt intervention will always be more efficient the our Govt.

Most of the problems we have today is because of Govt interference and stupid laws. Their short term fixes always make bigger long term problems.

But this is not the Political or Business thread so I'll leave it at that.

Thank god for Texas.

Thats just ridiculous. So when London burnt down long ago because the whole thing was made of wood the city wasnt right in forcing everyone to build out of stone and wasnt right in producing building codes to ensure another fire didnt happen.

I mean I look at the lack of regulation in Texas and I just shake my head. How many shoddily built apartment complexes have to go up in flames and how many people have to die before people get a clue. I imagine if the rule makers lived in apartments that wouldnt happen. Another thing Texas is bad at, two sets of rules, one for the rich and powerful one for average people. Disgusting.
Just one example out of many, the lunatics run the asylum in Texas. If it makes money it doesnt matter if some other persons health or welfare is put at risk its consequential. Yeehaw indeed.

[hsw]

Up to voters to elect politicians who will create a reasonable tax/regulation climate to attract/keep lucrative businesses and jobs and maintain a high QOL for taxpayers

Many voters pay nearly no taxes so have a divergence of interests amongst taxpayers vs essentially non-taxpaying parasites (who enjoy welfare, mass transit, indigent healthcare, etc paid for by non-consuming taxpayers)

Up to well-run cos. to place offices and high-income/skill jobs in most efficient locales where they can attract and keep such talented workers

Profits of major public cos. are "owned" by their shareholders, who include many "normal" people via their mutual funds and pension funds...and many employees who are partially paid in stock/options

Up to talented workers to develop useful skills to be hired and paid well by most desirable employers.....or start own business if feel cos. are unfair/underpaying...or move if don't like a given city/state's economic opportunities

Economic freedom and economics 101....vote with own dollars and own mobility

NYC is perhaps US' highest taxed, most regulated and most unionized region....yet has lowest standard of living in US for the middle and upper-income taxpayer: quite dysfunctional roads w/mockable potholes, crumbling basic infrastructure (gas lines, etc), many slums adjacent to wealthy areas of Manhattan, low-quality produce at upscale grocery stores, lots of $100K+/yr unionized gvt workers w/unknown productivity (partly explaining the absurd tax rates), often poor regulatory enforcement w/ample lazy and/or sleazy gvt "regulators", etc etc....arguably far, far more dysfunctional and remarkably lower standard of living for comparable taxpayers than Dallas' Uptown/HP/PH/Plano/Irving corridor or Houston's RivOaks/Galleria/EC corridor, despite TX's low total tax burden and pro-business climate

And, would argue HP's public schools are similar (or better) quality vs those of NYC's suburban Scarsdale (arguably best public schools in NYC/CT/NJ region): public schools (another union scam of taxpayers) similarly suck in broad expanses of urban/suburban NYC, TX and CA, no matter how high the taxes or how affluent the suburb or how much one pays teachers or admins...great example of inefficiency of gvt in even providing basic services, no matter tax rates or lavish pay/pensions

[Rakin]

Originally Posted by loves2read

corporations create wage slaves for the most part...

Uneducated people create wage slaves. Anyone who doesn't want to work for a low wage should get an education and / or take the risk to open their own business.

We still have here in the US a chance to be the next Bill Gates.

[Rakin]

Originally Posted by orbius

Why do you think Austin grew so much and was so attractive to business because the city elders built a liveable city and did what was necessary to preserve the natural beauty of the place. That took regulation and taxation.


A well run, attractive city, with happy people, and good education are what attracts business. What the 'government is evil' crowd dont want to hear is that creating this type of city takes the kind of coordination and money that only a robust and well run government can provide. Business doesnt care about rules and taxes as much as you think as long as they're fair relatively speaking.

Actually Austin has grown much slower then DFW, San Antonio & Houston. Austin has a problem of feast and famine. When technology goes in the toilet so does Austin.

Austin is a pretty good example of California and is not the paradise you believe.

[orbius]

Many voters pay nearly no taxes so have a divergence of interests amongst taxpayers vs essentially non-taxpaying parasites

Thats such disgusting, hateful garbage. If you look at what the working class pay in sales tax, gas tax, and how much they contribute to Texas' sky high property tax they pay much more of their income in tax than the super rich.
Your anger should be directed at corporations who refuse to provide reasonable health care and wages to their workers so they can be solvent.

[artsyguy]

Bill Gates was born into wealth.

Originally Posted by Rakin

We still have here in the US a chance to be the next Bill Gates.

[artsyguy]

I also hated Austin, Texas. It's not "liberal." The growth and progression of the city are merely an illusion IMHO.

Originally Posted by Rakin

Actually Austin has grown much slower then DFW, San Antonio & Houston. Austin has a problem of feast and famine. When technology goes in the toilet so does Austin.

Austin is a pretty good example of California and is not the paradise you believe.

[artsyguy]

IMHO Austin literally has nothing of value for a large city. Sure it has a corporate run university, hill country, bars, and eateries. But you can find that in Alabama, Kansas, Arkansas, or Kentucky. It's nothing special.

Originally Posted by orbius

Houston is the ultimate low tax and low regulation city and its a freaking dump in most parts.

Why do you think Austin grew so much and was so attractive to business because the city elders built a liveable city and did what was necessary to preserve the natural beauty of the place. That took regulation and taxation.


A well run, attractive city, with happy people, and good education are what attracts business. What the 'government is evil' crowd dont want to hear is that creating this type of city takes the kind of coordination and money that only a robust and well run government can provide. Business doesnt care about rules and taxes as much as you think as long as they're fair relatively speaking.

[orbius]

Originally Posted by artsyguy

IMHO Austin literally has nothing of value for a large city. Sure it has a corporate run university, hill country, bars, and eateries. But you can find that in Alabama, Kansas, Arkansas, or Kentucky. It's nothing special.

I dont know it is different from those places in that it truely is diverse. Kansas is uptight and lily white. The Southern states are still somewhat hostile to Northerners or ethnic minorities.
Austin will be better 10 years from now than it is now I agree it has been way overbuilt and the culture and infrastructure is seriously lacking. After the real estate hits bottom in about 2 more years and goes into hibernation for about 8 years this will give the city time to catch up to its growth.

[stan in san diego]

Originally Posted by RenaudFR

Jobs have been created, it's the most important in this economy
Texas can be proof about its economic policies when you see states hating them as California, NY, Illinois, Oregon.
Great Texas

We don't hate Texas. We get annoyed by Texans' arrogance and its energy corporations coming in to do us harm, like Enron, etc. You'll feel right at home in Texas. You've certainly picked up on their arrogance.