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Old 10-02-2011, 12:00 AM
 
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Its been raining in SA lately.

 
Old 10-02-2011, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Blah
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You guys crack me up ROFL!!!!
 
Old 10-02-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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You know something they're not telling you?

It could be permanent. Thanks to climate change, the world's zones are shifting. It's inevitable. And Texas is just too far South to stay too wet. 'tis sad, but true.

We dug our own holes.
Oh really? What climate change is that? You mean the temperature records that come from the monitoring stations placed next to AC units?

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/ima...le_issues1.JPG

Just last year we had record rainfall. I'll bet that when we get our next floods, you will say this is inevitable.

Major floods in Texas! « FOX News Weather Blog

What do you know about Texas weather? Most moisture for Texas comes from the Gulf. It has nothing to do with the location of Hadley Cells but does have something to do with the PDO and ENSO.

Pacific decadal oscillation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Drought in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LA Ninas cause drought in Texas.
 
Old 10-02-2011, 06:22 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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Oh really? What climate change is that? You mean the temperature records that come from the monitoring stations placed next to AC units?

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/ima...le_issues1.JPG

Just last year we had record rainfall. I'll bet that when we get our next floods, you will say this is inevitable.

Major floods in Texas! « FOX News Weather Blog

What do you know about Texas weather? Most moisture for Texas comes from the Gulf. It has nothing to do with the location of Hadley Cells but does have something to do with the PDO and ENSO.

Pacific decadal oscillation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Drought in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LA Ninas cause drought in Texas.

The overall change of the climate (which is inevitable due to the constant increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration) WILL affect Texas, in 1 way or another. It is more likely to cause Texas to be drier long-term than wetter long-term.

Only time will tell, however. We shall see.
 
Old 10-02-2011, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Boilermaker Territory
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The projected temperatures increases over this century will make wheat nearly impossible to grow in many areas of the southern Plains. This model is factoring in only a 3-5F increase in temperature over the century, a rather conservative estimate when extrapolating the present trend out in time.
 
Old 10-02-2011, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Climate change is, indeed, inevitable - it's been going on since long before we climbed up into the trees, never mind climbed back down out of them. It's what the planet does, changes back and forth.

As to whether we are primarily responsible for it? That's pretty much just a variation on the "man is the center of the universe" attitude that's been prevalent for so very long. Surely, since we're the center of the universe, we MUST be responsible for it and able to stop the planet from doing what it's been doing since . . . well, you know.
 
Old 10-02-2011, 07:08 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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Climate change is, indeed, inevitable - it's been going on since long before we climbed up into the trees, never mind climbed back down out of them. It's what the planet does, changes back and forth.

As to whether we are primarily responsible for it? That's pretty much just a variation on the "man is the center of the universe" attitude that's been prevalent for so very long. Surely, since we're the center of the universe, we MUST be responsible for it and able to stop the planet from doing what it's been doing since . . . well, you know.
Climate HAS been naturally varying ever since ever since. But mankind has made it significantly worse. How do we know it's mankind? Well, when you burn fuel, which contains carbon, you release carbon dioxide in the air. That's a greenhouse gas. I'm sorry, but it's incontrovertible that mankind has created the situation it finds itself in, having been burning massive quantities of coal, gas & oil since the 1700's.

To answer your question....yes, we are primarily responsible for this current warming trend, which will become runaway soon enough, if it hasn't already. Adaptation is the only answer.
 
Old 10-02-2011, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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So, how is it we caused all the previous climate changes?
 
Old 10-02-2011, 09:46 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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So, how is it we caused all the previous climate changes?
.....what? I never once said that. If you check my post, you'll see that I wrote this: "we are primarily responsible for this current warming trend".

As for what caused global warming in previous events, such as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, theories postulate that a combination of events caused runaway global warming: enough volcanic activity caused temperatures to warm enough to ignite peat bogs prevalent during that time which only furthered the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. We don't really know, because we didn't exist back then.

However, the fact of the matter is that there is a precedent for large spikes in atmospheric CO2 concentration in a relatively short period of time on the geologic timescale. This is happening again, except that there is only 1 explanation for today's event: CO2 emissions created by human burning of fossil fuels.

The path millions of years ago and today is the same: increasing atmospheric CO2 emissions in a relatively short period of time. The causes are quite different. Earlier causes were natural....this one is not.
 
Old 10-03-2011, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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.....what? I never once said that. If you check my post, you'll see that I wrote this: "we are primarily responsible for this current warming trend".

As for what caused global warming in previous events, such as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, theories postulate that a combination of events caused runaway global warming: enough volcanic activity caused temperatures to warm enough to ignite peat bogs prevalent during that time which only furthered the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. We don't really know, because we didn't exist back then.

However, the fact of the matter is that there is a precedent for large spikes in atmospheric CO2 concentration in a relatively short period of time on the geologic timescale. This is happening again, except that there is only 1 explanation for today's event: CO2 emissions created by human burning of fossil fuels.

The path millions of years ago and today is the same: increasing atmospheric CO2 emissions in a relatively short period of time. The causes are quite different. Earlier causes were natural....this one is not.
So, we're aliens, then, and not part of nature?

Like I said, man as center of the universe.
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